Wacko Fundamentalists who teach false doctrine.

Sorry, just gotta rant a bit here…

Just finished talking to a wacko fundamentalist who thinks that reconciliation is just for believers…

Here is his quote: “I read what you wrote, and am more than familiar with Jesus’ words about reconciling with one’s brother. But that isn’t the ‘ministry of reconciliation’ that Paul spoke about in 2 Cor. 5. Read it for yourself, and see.”

Really God reconciled us while we were still enemies…

“Rom 5: 10. For if, when we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!”

He asked me how those who are not saved are reconciled… and stated that reconciliation is only in one verse in Corinthians… (I will correct myself here. He stated that the phrase “ministry of reconciliation” is only mentioned once which is true, yet he still denies it is more than just for believers) blah read up on your bible dude! How about the whole “go and be reconciled to your brother” verse in Matt 5:23-24, or the verse often used out of context in Matt 18: 19-20 “19. “Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.” I guess that Jesus was NOT teaching reconciliation there either? If one reads the verse in context it sure is. In its context it is about reconciliation… We are to bring peace to others through Christ… that is the fullness of the ministry of reconciliation… for if we are not at peace with our brothers and sisters, we are not at peace with Christ. Without forgiveness of others we are not walking in Christ’s forgiveness… and not reconciled. Matt 6:14-15 14. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins

When we were God’s enemies, we WERE reconciled through the death of Jesus on the Cross… Jesus reconciled SINNERS on the Cross… opening salvation that came… at the Resurrection… as Romans states..

The sad thing is, when I pointed him to links showing Glenn Beck lied, he then played the “I am being so persecuted card.” All the while accusing me of all sorts of things.

We are saved through Jesus’ life… not death. Again… read the bible and learn what it says instead of following Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh! Sheesh! And they call me the heretic… LOL! All in all, I see that following idols will give you only bad fruit…

I find it odd that when I lift up Christ over politics I get “Christians” angry. “Keep yourselves from idols…” 1 John 5:21 I believe this also includes political idols also. We are not of this world’s kingdoms… we are part of God’s Kingdom. I know Martin Luther talks of being of two kingdoms… yet, the Bible says, “Be a good citizen” I take that as living at peace in any kingdom… and at times… if it is ungodly… live in it as best you can. (taking in the broader ideas of Scripture.)

My politics are… Love others and live at peace as best you can. Look of ways to bring solutions to problems instead of polarization. Bring reconciliation instead of division. When we disagree, work out a reasonable solution. This is not my home, my world and my system I live under. I am accountable to God and must strive to live with a clear … Read Moreconscience between God and man. I believe in turning the other cheek… going the extra mile… even when those that are against will not. I believe we must strive to correct injustice with peaceful means if we can and if not (as a nation) leave it to God to sort out. (I am a pacifist) I will speak out against those who are hurting out nation and pray for them as well. Over all I recognize that Jesus is King over all creation, even the USA. Those are my politics… and with the aid of Jesus I will live at peace as best I can with my Fundamentalist wacko brothers and sisters in Christ. But I will not be silent when they teach false doctrine.

2 Corinthians 5: 14. For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. 16. So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 18. All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19. that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

I see this guy as a false teacher… Though I am not saying he is not saved. I leave that to God to judge.

Now go forth and be the Righteousness of God and bring reconciliation to those who need to know Jesus. Reconciliaiton is not just for the believer… but for those lost. It was given to us by the death of Christ on the Cross… it was given to ALL.

Blessings!

 
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One subtle deception of John MacArthur: Bad Quotes

I am amazed that more people do not understand that Truth protects us… we do not protect truth.

John MacArthur states in his book The Truth War…

“It is our duty to guard, proclaim, and pass that truth on to the next generation.” [1 Timothy 6:20–21]

Now let’s go look at his reference.

“O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge— 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen.”

Note how subtle this is… but that is how Satan works!

Yes, Paul is stating to Timothy to “Guard what was committed to your trust..” but does Paul go on to say “go out and fight and expose those who attack truth.”? No.

Paul simply states to Timothy to guard Truth by, “avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge…”

Notice the word… “avoiding“. It does not nor has ever meant to declare war on others.

My Truth is the Person of Jesus Christ. I see that He protects me… I cannot do anything to protect Jesus for He is God and I am a mere man.

So, my question is this… What kind of god needs protecting? And if that god does, how can a finite man protect an Almighty, all powerful God?

It seems to me that John MacArthur has diminished God from Who He really is in this “truth war” and the more I learn of John MacArthur’s theology, the more I wonder if he thinks himself greater than God Himself…

One subtle deception of John MacArthur: Bad Quotes

I am amazed that more people do not understand that Truth protects us… we do not protect truth.

John MacArthur states in his book The Truth War…

“It is our duty to guard, proclaim, and pass that truth on to the next generation.” [1 Timothy 6:20–21]

Now let’s go look at his reference.

“O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge— 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen.”

Note how subtle this is… but that is how Satan works!

Yes, Paul is stating to Timothy to “Guard what was committed to your trust..” but does Paul go on to say “go out and fight and expose those who attack truth.”? No.

Paul simply states to Timothy to guard Truth by, “avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge…”

Notice the word… “avoiding“. It does not nor has ever meant to declare war on others.

My Truth is the Person of Jesus Christ. I see that He protects me… I cannot do anything to protect Jesus for He is God and I am a mere man.

So, my question is this… What kind of god needs protecting? And if that god does, how can a finite man protect an Almighty, all powerful God?

It seems to me that John MacArthur has diminished God from Who He really is in this “truth war” and the more I learn of John MacArthur’s theology, the more I wonder if he thinks himself greater than God Himself…

I’m not your critic, don’t even know you.

I received this in the comments on my post My last words to my HYPER CRITICS . Originally I posted a comment back but then decided not to… but I have decided to let you the reader read this and post your comments to this person.

Be blessed,
iggy

I’m not your critic, don’t even know you. If your involved in the Vineyard movement, I’ll just consider that you have not come to your right mind.

My question has to do with your introductory comment:

“I find it rather strange how some will demand perfect doctrine from others…”

How do you square that with:

I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another…and

…As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace: 11 whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God…and

…knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation…and

… Do not add to his words,
lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar…and

…I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book….

Though no one can demand you must believe perfect doctrine and hold it, the Scripture does. It does it in this way. That which is opinion is not truth. Only that which can be established as true is to be taught. That is what Paul and Peter, Solomon and Jesus were saying: Do not go beyond what is written. Simply, and profound. The rule is this, if you do not know it to be the truth and the only truth, keep your mouth shut, or as Proverbs would say: Even a fool is counted wise when he remains silent, or a fool does not wait to hear the end of a matter before speaking. There are sound words to learn and if there are not, then we have no Bible, even a poorly translated one to refer to.

I will leave you with this:

Teach and urge these things. If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain…So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter…I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them…charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine…If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed…Command and teach these things. Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity. Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching. Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you. Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress. Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers…

The fact is iggy, the Word of God, that is Jesus Himself (ref Revelation) commands us to hold perfect doctrine. It is a simple thing, as I said. Stay within the bounds of what you know. To do more or less is to condemn yourself: “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit. You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

To put it in the language of the emergent, get your pompous head out of your posterior cavity and come into the light…

Sorry for the crudeness, but these are straight forward statements of Scripture all agreeing with one another, simple enough that even a child can understand them. I have simple words for my children: The world is not pink, your head is not your butt, and don’t piss on a flat rock. Crude but effective with children and all Biblical, in a weird sort of way. I would not preach it that way except to my kids. They understand it though.

One last thing: What do you have that you did not receive?

Posted by lordodamanor 11/14/2007 12:06:00 AM

I’m not your critic, don’t even know you.

I received this in the comments on my post My last words to my HYPER CRITICS . Originally I posted a comment back but then decided not to… but I have decided to let you the reader read this and post your comments to this person.

Be blessed,
iggy

I’m not your critic, don’t even know you. If your involved in the Vineyard movement, I’ll just consider that you have not come to your right mind.

My question has to do with your introductory comment:

“I find it rather strange how some will demand perfect doctrine from others…”

How do you square that with:

I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another…and

…As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace: 11 whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God…and

…knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation…and

… Do not add to his words,
lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar…and

…I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book….

Though no one can demand you must believe perfect doctrine and hold it, the Scripture does. It does it in this way. That which is opinion is not truth. Only that which can be established as true is to be taught. That is what Paul and Peter, Solomon and Jesus were saying: Do not go beyond what is written. Simply, and profound. The rule is this, if you do not know it to be the truth and the only truth, keep your mouth shut, or as Proverbs would say: Even a fool is counted wise when he remains silent, or a fool does not wait to hear the end of a matter before speaking. There are sound words to learn and if there are not, then we have no Bible, even a poorly translated one to refer to.

I will leave you with this:

Teach and urge these things. If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain…So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter…I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them…charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine…If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed…Command and teach these things. Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity. Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching. Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you. Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress. Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers…

The fact is iggy, the Word of God, that is Jesus Himself (ref Revelation) commands us to hold perfect doctrine. It is a simple thing, as I said. Stay within the bounds of what you know. To do more or less is to condemn yourself: “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit. You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

To put it in the language of the emergent, get your pompous head out of your posterior cavity and come into the light…

Sorry for the crudeness, but these are straight forward statements of Scripture all agreeing with one another, simple enough that even a child can understand them. I have simple words for my children: The world is not pink, your head is not your butt, and don’t piss on a flat rock. Crude but effective with children and all Biblical, in a weird sort of way. I would not preach it that way except to my kids. They understand it though.

One last thing: What do you have that you did not receive?

Posted by lordodamanor 11/14/2007 12:06:00 AM

The Gospel According to John MacArthur

John W. Robbins wrote an interesting article that when I read it I had to laugh as much of what i have found true of Macarthur’s “Gospel” is stated by Dr. Robbins.

A bit about J.W. Robbins. First he is no fly by night “Trout” anti MacArthur propagandist. In fact even if much that is right on about some of those guys, there is also much to be said about staying away from them also. So many that “attack” MacArthur are on the fringe.

Now though there are many that are biblical scholars that stand up and review the actual theology of MacArthur. I see Dr. Robbins in this category.

Here is his bio.

Here is a bit of the article on John MacArthur’s theology:

“MacArthur rejects the Biblical view of justification and adopts the Roman Catholic view: “Many people believe justified means ‘just-as-if-I’d-never-sinned.’ In other words, God says, ‘I count you righteous even though you’re really not.’ It is true that God makes that declaration, but there is also a reality of righteousness. We are not only declared righteous; we are made righteous”(Justification by Faith, 1988, 98). This making righteous is accomplished by infusing Christ’s righteousness into Christians: “God actually credits righteousness to our account. He imputes righteousness to us; he infuses divine life into us. He regenerates and sanctifies us. He makes the unholy holy, and therefore declares that we are righteous…. There is a reality–God gives us righteousness, and thus he can declare that we are righteous” (Justification, 121). MacArthur writes: “The believing sinner is justified by righteousness infused into him” (Justification, 122).”

Here is the whole article.

Download the PDF version of this review.

Here is a link to the The Westminster Confession of Faith at the Center for Reformed Theology and Apologetics

Be blessed,
iggy

The Gospel According to John MacArthur

John W. Robbins wrote an interesting article that when I read it I had to laugh as much of what i have found true of Macarthur’s “Gospel” is stated by Dr. Robbins.

A bit about J.W. Robbins. First he is no fly by night “Trout” anti MacArthur propagandist. In fact even if much that is right on about some of those guys, there is also much to be said about staying away from them also. So many that “attack” MacArthur are on the fringe.

Now though there are many that are biblical scholars that stand up and review the actual theology of MacArthur. I see Dr. Robbins in this category.

Here is his bio.

Here is a bit of the article on John MacArthur’s theology:

“MacArthur rejects the Biblical view of justification and adopts the Roman Catholic view: “Many people believe justified means ‘just-as-if-I’d-never-sinned.’ In other words, God says, ‘I count you righteous even though you’re really not.’ It is true that God makes that declaration, but there is also a reality of righteousness. We are not only declared righteous; we are made righteous”(Justification by Faith, 1988, 98). This making righteous is accomplished by infusing Christ’s righteousness into Christians: “God actually credits righteousness to our account. He imputes righteousness to us; he infuses divine life into us. He regenerates and sanctifies us. He makes the unholy holy, and therefore declares that we are righteous…. There is a reality–God gives us righteousness, and thus he can declare that we are righteous” (Justification, 121). MacArthur writes: “The believing sinner is justified by righteousness infused into him” (Justification, 122).”

Here is the whole article.

Download the PDF version of this review.

Here is a link to the The Westminster Confession of Faith at the Center for Reformed Theology and Apologetics

Be blessed,
iggy

You Might Be A Pharisee If…

You Might Be A Pharisee If…

(With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy)

• If you missed a family reunion or a funeral of a close friend because you didn’t want to miss the midweek service…you might be a Pharisee.
• If you ever worried about whether or not you should read the italicized words in you King James Bible because they weren’t in the original text …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you ever gave your pastor a doctor’s excuse for missing a Sunday evening service …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you ever tried to exchange your bratwurst for an Italian sausage because you found out they were beer brats …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you say grace before in-between-meal snacks …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you won’t let your kids read The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe because there is a witch in the book …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you object to the new church hymnals because they have “contemporary” songs from the likes of Andrae Crouch and Dallas Holm …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you think the new youth pastor should not be trusted with the care of your children because he has an ICHTHUS tattoo…you might be a Pharisee.
• If you rebuked the visiting preacher for not wearing a tie when he was in the pulpit …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you boycotted The End of the Spear because the part of Nate Saint was played by a homosexual …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you refuse to watch The Passion of the Christ because it borrows too heavily from Catholic tradition …you might be a Pharisee.

Feel free to add any “You might be a Pharisee if…” ideas to the comments section below.

This is all from Gamaliel’s Desk by Rick Presley. BTW the comments are about as funny as some of the other “mights”.

Be blessed,

iggy

You Might Be A Pharisee If…

You Might Be A Pharisee If…

(With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy)

• If you missed a family reunion or a funeral of a close friend because you didn’t want to miss the midweek service…you might be a Pharisee.
• If you ever worried about whether or not you should read the italicized words in you King James Bible because they weren’t in the original text …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you ever gave your pastor a doctor’s excuse for missing a Sunday evening service …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you ever tried to exchange your bratwurst for an Italian sausage because you found out they were beer brats …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you say grace before in-between-meal snacks …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you won’t let your kids read The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe because there is a witch in the book …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you object to the new church hymnals because they have “contemporary” songs from the likes of Andrae Crouch and Dallas Holm …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you think the new youth pastor should not be trusted with the care of your children because he has an ICHTHUS tattoo…you might be a Pharisee.
• If you rebuked the visiting preacher for not wearing a tie when he was in the pulpit …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you boycotted The End of the Spear because the part of Nate Saint was played by a homosexual …you might be a Pharisee.
• If you refuse to watch The Passion of the Christ because it borrows too heavily from Catholic tradition …you might be a Pharisee.

Feel free to add any “You might be a Pharisee if…” ideas to the comments section below.

This is all from Gamaliel’s Desk by Rick Presley. BTW the comments are about as funny as some of the other “mights”.

Be blessed,

iggy

Do we live by "Christianity" or by Jesus.

I have to wonder at some of critics that are out there.

I have seen these things.

1. A person write against Erwin McManus’ “the Barbarian Way” as he took the side of the civilized religionist… proudly!
2. A person add to statements so that they fit their critic…
3. People who lift up foul mouthed reformers like Martin Luther then attack Mark Driscoll. (Martin Luther like to use colorful scatological language.)
4. People who when challenged for their teaching as being biblical quote Spurgeon to prove it is!
5. People who condemn me for “playing down heaven and hell” and that the Gospel is all about “me”… I have to laugh as it is them who say “I got saved so I will not go to Hell and I get to go to Heaven”… I state that God came through Jesus to preach the Kingdom of God and that I am privileged to be called and enter into His Kingdom. Heaven is a by product of the big picture God is doing… and so is my salvation… so I am wondering… were is this all about me. Yet, it seems that many do accuse myself and others, then turn around and preach a “me-driven” gospel themselves! The focus of Christianity is not me, but Jesus Christ.

Now, here is the big difference that I see and it is summed up it this quote by Chris P.

“I believe that Mike’s point is that the majority of those claiming christianity, which is a religion btw, are not necessarily true saints.”

Notice that “Christianity is a religion to Chris and if you look at the other examples that seems to be the consensus of this group! It is not a relationship with God through the death, burial and resurrection of His Son Jesus and then being filled with the Holy Spirit! Nope, it is a religion that is civilized and controllable and that can be understood by mere human reasoning.

They worship a controlled God of their own vain imaginations!

Then they accuse others of being me-based, when their whole religion is the same as the Pharisees who thought they could get God to move by their strict obedience to the Law.

God is sovereign and in no way impressed with man’s religion. He is impressed only with His Son and those who depend totally on Jesus for salvation.

Be Blessed,
iggy