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Logic lessons with Ken Silva… (?????)

February 12, 2008

At a blog where a person likes to take one sentance and create straw men to attakc people, I had an interesting lesson in logic from Ken Silva…

It starts with a guy called, (sorry if this is offensive, it was his choice of names not mine.) Poop is Emergent.
Poop is Emergent Too said…
Chris L: Driscoll was Catholic by backround…And Pagitt was once a pastor in the Baptist General Conference which is not liberal by most standards…
Also lack of certain trust in Jesus and his word and revelation is not humility, it is foolishness, masqurading as humility.

By your definition it would seem that Jesus was nothing more than an arrogant fool when he claimed “Unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
February 12, 2008 1:18 PM

iggy said…
Poop,”Also lack of certain trust in Jesus and his word and revelation is not humility, it is foolishness, masqurading as humility.”

Yes, we all remember the words of the man asking Jesus to heal his son in Mark 9:23-24 as foolishness…
“”`If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for him who believes.” Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!””

Yes, such a masquerade that man put on…
iggy February 12, 2008 1:26 PM

Ken Silva said…
iggy mocks: “we all remember the words of the man asking Jesus to heal his son in Mark 9:23-24 as foolishness…

“This is the fallacy of the false analogy. P was talking about Doug Pagitt, who is functioning as a Christian pastor (apples).

The man referred to in Mark 9 is still unregenerate and certainly is not expected to be a teacher of God’s Word (oranges).

Therefore they cannot be compated in the context of P’s comment.
February 12, 2008 1:53 PM
iggy said…
Ken,
So by your infallible logic,
Doug is saved…
He is of the Elect and no one can snatch him out of Jesus’ hands… not even you.
thanks! = )
iggy
February 12, 2008 1:57 PM
Ken Silva said…
iggy,1) It isn’t my logic.
And 2) I didn’t say anything at all about Doug being saved. What I said was he “is functioning as a Christian pastor”.
February 12, 2008 2:10 PM
iggy said…
Ken,
Then by your “not your logic” a “Christian” pastor is not “Christian”?
Interesting… so Doug is not saved and is a “Christian” pastor…
I am enjoying this “logic” lesson… or your “not your logic” lesson.
Please enlighten us more. = )
iggy February 12, 2008 2:16 PM
Ken Silva said…
iggy,
I believe you’re sharper than this: “a ‘Christian’ pastor is not ‘Christian’?” One can claim to be a Christian, but that doesn’t make it so. I certainly wouldn’t have called Pagitt as pastor and I don’t personally think he is a Christian.

However, it is an incontrovertable fact that Doug Pagitt “is functioning as a Christian pastor.”
February 12, 2008 2:32 PM

iggy said…
Ken,

“I certainly wouldn’t have called Pagitt as pastor and I don’t personally think he is a Christian.

However, it is an incontrovertable fact that Doug Pagitt “is functioning as a Christian pastor.””

So, let’s look at your “not my logic” here:

1. You state that Doug is “functioning as a Christian pastor”

2. Yet not all that are “Christian” are Christian becuase YOU personally think Doug is not.

3. But yet the only “incontrovertable” fact you are asserting is that Doug is functioning as a Christian pastor…

So we conclude that if YOU personally do not think one is a Christian, they still can function as a “Christian” pastor though not be a Christian… though you refer to them as a Christian.

So one is a Christian only if you say they are.
I see… so it all depends on YOU and what YOU think…
Got it.
iggy
February 12, 2008 2:48 PM

Ken Silva said…
iggy,

I’m afraid you and I aren’t going to get anywhere here so it’s best we drop it. In my opinion, to paraphrase a famous saying: “Your reasoning has left the building.”
February 12, 2008 3:20 PM

iggy said…
Ken,

I agree, your logical orbit is a bit too small for me.
See ya,
igs
February 12, 2008 3:22 PM
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Logic lessons with Ken Silva… (?????)

February 12, 2008

At a blog where a person likes to take one sentance and create straw men to attakc people, I had an interesting lesson in logic from Ken Silva…

It starts with a guy called, (sorry if this is offensive, it was his choice of names not mine.) Poop is Emergent.
Poop is Emergent Too said…
Chris L: Driscoll was Catholic by backround…And Pagitt was once a pastor in the Baptist General Conference which is not liberal by most standards…
Also lack of certain trust in Jesus and his word and revelation is not humility, it is foolishness, masqurading as humility.

By your definition it would seem that Jesus was nothing more than an arrogant fool when he claimed “Unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
February 12, 2008 1:18 PM

iggy said…
Poop,”Also lack of certain trust in Jesus and his word and revelation is not humility, it is foolishness, masqurading as humility.”

Yes, we all remember the words of the man asking Jesus to heal his son in Mark 9:23-24 as foolishness…
“”`If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for him who believes.” Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!””

Yes, such a masquerade that man put on…
iggy February 12, 2008 1:26 PM

Ken Silva said…
iggy mocks: “we all remember the words of the man asking Jesus to heal his son in Mark 9:23-24 as foolishness…

“This is the fallacy of the false analogy. P was talking about Doug Pagitt, who is functioning as a Christian pastor (apples).

The man referred to in Mark 9 is still unregenerate and certainly is not expected to be a teacher of God’s Word (oranges).

Therefore they cannot be compated in the context of P’s comment.
February 12, 2008 1:53 PM
iggy said…
Ken,
So by your infallible logic,
Doug is saved…
He is of the Elect and no one can snatch him out of Jesus’ hands… not even you.
thanks! = )
iggy
February 12, 2008 1:57 PM
Ken Silva said…
iggy,1) It isn’t my logic.
And 2) I didn’t say anything at all about Doug being saved. What I said was he “is functioning as a Christian pastor”.
February 12, 2008 2:10 PM
iggy said…
Ken,
Then by your “not your logic” a “Christian” pastor is not “Christian”?
Interesting… so Doug is not saved and is a “Christian” pastor…
I am enjoying this “logic” lesson… or your “not your logic” lesson.
Please enlighten us more. = )
iggy February 12, 2008 2:16 PM
Ken Silva said…
iggy,
I believe you’re sharper than this: “a ‘Christian’ pastor is not ‘Christian’?” One can claim to be a Christian, but that doesn’t make it so. I certainly wouldn’t have called Pagitt as pastor and I don’t personally think he is a Christian.

However, it is an incontrovertable fact that Doug Pagitt “is functioning as a Christian pastor.”
February 12, 2008 2:32 PM

iggy said…
Ken,

“I certainly wouldn’t have called Pagitt as pastor and I don’t personally think he is a Christian.

However, it is an incontrovertable fact that Doug Pagitt “is functioning as a Christian pastor.””

So, let’s look at your “not my logic” here:

1. You state that Doug is “functioning as a Christian pastor”

2. Yet not all that are “Christian” are Christian becuase YOU personally think Doug is not.

3. But yet the only “incontrovertable” fact you are asserting is that Doug is functioning as a Christian pastor…

So we conclude that if YOU personally do not think one is a Christian, they still can function as a “Christian” pastor though not be a Christian… though you refer to them as a Christian.

So one is a Christian only if you say they are.
I see… so it all depends on YOU and what YOU think…
Got it.
iggy
February 12, 2008 2:48 PM

Ken Silva said…
iggy,

I’m afraid you and I aren’t going to get anywhere here so it’s best we drop it. In my opinion, to paraphrase a famous saying: “Your reasoning has left the building.”
February 12, 2008 3:20 PM

iggy said…
Ken,

I agree, your logical orbit is a bit too small for me.
See ya,
igs
February 12, 2008 3:22 PM
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CRN.info and CRN find common ground

January 31, 2008

Of all to unite for the common good is CRN and CRN.info over Heath Ledger. Chris Rosebrough and Chris Lyons teamed up with this post from Chris R. I know that this sounds a bit like Larknews but it is true. Kudos to Chris R. for taking a stand against hate.

Be blessed,
iggy
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CRN.info and CRN find common ground

January 31, 2008

Of all to unite for the common good is CRN and CRN.info over Heath Ledger. Chris Rosebrough and Chris Lyons teamed up with this post from Chris R. I know that this sounds a bit like Larknews but it is true. Kudos to Chris R. for taking a stand against hate.

Be blessed,
iggy
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Stick it where? Ask Chris Pajak!

January 26, 2008

Chris Pajak as a real knack with words… he loves to tell others how sinful they are and how “emergents” are going to hell amongst the “nicer” things he states… He also writes for Christian Research Net for Ken Silva.

And in a recent “loving” comment on the topic of reductionism at CRN.info Chris Pajak had this to say!

“At the risk of sounding crudely reductionist; put it where the sun don’t shine. This blog is going to criticize others for sweeping generalizations? I pray for the soon return of the King.” ~ Chris Pajak Christian Research Network contributor.

No Chris, you just sound as crude as all those you condemn for not being Christ like…

If you would like to tell Chris how offensive this is… his blog is here

These are the new holiness police…

Beware!

iggy
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Stick it where? Ask Chris Pajak!

January 26, 2008

Chris Pajak as a real knack with words… he loves to tell others how sinful they are and how “emergents” are going to hell amongst the “nicer” things he states… He also writes for Christian Research Net for Ken Silva.

And in a recent “loving” comment on the topic of reductionism at CRN.info Chris Pajak had this to say!

“At the risk of sounding crudely reductionist; put it where the sun don’t shine. This blog is going to criticize others for sweeping generalizations? I pray for the soon return of the King.” ~ Chris Pajak Christian Research Network contributor.

No Chris, you just sound as crude as all those you condemn for not being Christ like…

If you would like to tell Chris how offensive this is… his blog is here

These are the new holiness police…

Beware!

iggy
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OK This guy usually bothers me… but… from poop emerges

December 19, 2007

This guy usually bothers me but at poop is emergent too he has an interesting take on Ken Silva and Tony Jones.. though I do not agree 100% I see that not all on Ken Silva’s side agree with him and his tactics.

be blessed,

iggy