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Love Wins

April 6, 2011

So much angry, pain, accusations, hatred, ignorance, idiocy, arrogance, and basic bullshit (which I believe is the first time you have every read me state that on my blog) came about over this simple book. I suggest first, ignore all the stupidity and read it. 
My thoughts on it are nothing has changed about Rob Bell. He has not change into a Universalist, though he holds to universal atonement as I do. I think the issue is many who read Bell and hate him are those so entrenched in their defined and narrow theological view, they cannot fathom that anything beyond their own understand might be right. They cannot trust God and face the challenge and cling to their own understanding thus remain static and never grow. 
The book is a very easy read. In some ways Bell does not go very deep yet in others if you understand what he is saying the impact of the words like “It’s the gospel of goats.” (p. 180) and how Bell unpacks that statement that make the book very much deeper than first glance might give.  I would give this book to people as a way to help them understand that God is not angry or wrathful but is love. 
Oh, about the hell thing…  my own opinion is that Hell does not save us God does. We cannot go were God is not. Hell is real and Bell broadens what both heaven and hell are. You might not like it, but it even fits the most fundamentalist of beliefs if only those who hold that style of belief understood what they believed. 
Bell opens the doors to possibilities and here is a huge hint. There may seem to be only two choices. 
1. Calvinism 2. Universalism 
But there is a third way. Here is a post I did a while back that might help you get where Bell comes from. And yes, whether there is a hell or not, Love wins. The Bible is clear on that one.
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The God of Show and Tell… or is it Tell and Show?

December 28, 2009
The God of Show and Tell… or is it Tell and Show?
The other day my Kids had “show and tell”. You know, when they take something important to them to school to share with the other kids… like when my daughter Ciana brought her silver jewelry box to school and was so excited to show it and tell how her Auntie gave it to her. I began to think about God and what He showed us through Jesus. God did not just “tell” us how to live, rather God told us and then through Jesus showed us… thus, God is the God of show and tell… or rather, Tell and Show. In fact, if you get right down to it, Through the bible we see God telling us how to live and then through the incarnation of Jesus, showing us how to live, and died… and then live again. With this, we have a model of how we are to live, die and live again.
Now many people just view this as living now, dying now and living again later, but what is happening is that we are doing all of this “now” for “later”. We live now to die not for death’s sake, but for Christ’s sake so we may live again in abundant life. This New Life in Christ starts “now” and for those who are “in Christ” continues into the “later” or New Creation, which is the fulfillment of “on earth as it is in Heaven.”
Rob Bell, in his book Velvet Elvis talks about the idea that we live either in or for heaven “now” or in and for hell “now” which then is part of the decision as to where we spend eternity later. This is not about works salvation, but whether one lives out the New Life that comes in us from Jesus or we keep hold of the old life. In the bible, (Matt 25: 31-46) there is the parable of the sheep and goats who hold to their “beliefs” to save them. Yet the sheep find they are the ones that did the things that God desires. The rub is that those who held to “believism” did not enter into the Kingdom, while those who did the work of the Kingdom now, entered in the Kingdom for eternity. This is scandalous if you think about it! Those who believe “rightly” are punished? Why are they punished? They were just tellers of the Word but not, “Show and tellers” of the Word. (Now I know technically it is Tell and Show, yet I am not about to set in stone some formula as I find God sometimes has one show others the Gospel so they can earn the right to tell the “other” the Gospel, so for now the idea of “show and tell” is interchangeable.)
In God’s telling and showing, we learn that what one believes is not enough. We see this in how Jesus confronted the Pharisees for their “correct” belief, yet their doing or showing was inadequate. They would tithe the smallest of amounts even down to the spices they had, and meanwhile let someone starve in their city. They would pass by someone they deemed “unworthy” or less worthy of God’s mercy and grace as they saw them “unclean” and if touched would defile them. They clung tightly to their own righteousness…
Paul Tillich writes about the Pharisees “righteousness”… (To be honest I am still sorting this out in my own heart and head) Jesus fully acknowledged the Pharisees as “righteous”. Tillich states that the righteousness of a Pharisee was a very high standard; even Jesus stated that one’s righteousness must surpass that of the Pharisee to get into Heaven! To be clear, there is no argument allowed to claim the Pharisees as being unrighteous. Yet, by whose righteousness do we get into the Kingdom of Heaven? The Apostle Paul makes it clear that it is only by the righteousness of Christ we make it in to the Kingdom. Rom 1: 17. For in the gospel righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” It is not our own righteousness that gives us life… For all the righteousness of the Pharisee, the Law could not give them eternal life for the Life is in the Son. (John 3:36; 1 John 5: 10-11) One must have life to live… forgiveness is not enough… I like how Luke puts it in Acts 1:1
In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach
Jesus came to tell us and show us how to believe and live and that is our challenge… to allow Jesus to do that today in and through us. We are now called to let Jesus live His life in and through us today and forever and to tell and show others of The Way, the Truth, and the Life of Jesus.

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Rob Bell talks about Domitian and the book of Revelation

June 5, 2009
This is a re-post from a couple of years back. The topic of the Book of Revelation keeps coming up so I thought I would re-post this. I think it very informative and gives a historical perspective of the Book of Revelation in a creative way.

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Rob Bell talks about Domitian and the book of Revelation

June 5, 2009
This is a re-post from a couple of years back. The topic of the Book of Revelation keeps coming up so I thought I would re-post this. I think it very informative and gives a historical perspective of the Book of Revelation in a creative way.

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another example of the great discerning powers of the CRN group

February 11, 2007

This is partly from a comment on the blog linked to below… with a little more added to it. So the “you” is addressing the person at that site.

Here is another example of the great discerning powers of the CRN group… and their followers.
Did anyone else notice that though the word “heresy” is thrown out there… there is not one example of this heresy? That Ken’s articles all go to his own blog and not one outside source… and that the only heresy is that Rob is saying “God loves you”?

So, where is the heresy? I think it sad that you call names without any real source or proof… in fact this only looks like you disagree on some minor thing… like “God loves you” and claim heresy…. which makes me think… what is YOUR gospel… “God hates you?”

If so, you are the heretic… For scripture is clear about the love God has for us… even when we are God’s enemies, He died for us… to save us… out of love for us… For Genesis to Revelation is about the great Love of God for us… from the promise to send the Seed to redeem all creation to the revealing of Jesus in the Book of Revelation… one theme is clear… God loves us, and desires that none will perish. He is waiting patiently in hopes that as many can be saved as possible…

I think they need to repent from mischaracterizing God… The only thing I am sure of is that on Apprising ministries if one looks hard enough they may find some of Ken’s belly button lint from his inbred website that links to himself as his authority of research…

Beware of these divisive men that teach God hates you… they are false teachers who hold selfish ambition as their false idol.
Blessings,
iggy


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another example of the great discerning powers of the CRN group

February 11, 2007

This is partly from a comment on the blog linked to below… with a little more added to it. So the “you” is addressing the person at that site.

Here is another example of the great discerning powers of the CRN group… and their followers.
Did anyone else notice that though the word “heresy” is thrown out there… there is not one example of this heresy? That Ken’s articles all go to his own blog and not one outside source… and that the only heresy is that Rob is saying “God loves you”?

So, where is the heresy? I think it sad that you call names without any real source or proof… in fact this only looks like you disagree on some minor thing… like “God loves you” and claim heresy…. which makes me think… what is YOUR gospel… “God hates you?”

If so, you are the heretic… For scripture is clear about the love God has for us… even when we are God’s enemies, He died for us… to save us… out of love for us… For Genesis to Revelation is about the great Love of God for us… from the promise to send the Seed to redeem all creation to the revealing of Jesus in the Book of Revelation… one theme is clear… God loves us, and desires that none will perish. He is waiting patiently in hopes that as many can be saved as possible…

I think they need to repent from mischaracterizing God… The only thing I am sure of is that on Apprising ministries if one looks hard enough they may find some of Ken’s belly button lint from his inbred website that links to himself as his authority of research…

Beware of these divisive men that teach God hates you… they are false teachers who hold selfish ambition as their false idol.
Blessings,
iggy


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Jesus and Domitian (Rob Bell on the Book of Revelations)

February 6, 2007

This is an awesome teaching and if you are an end times Bible buff.

Whatever you believe about the Book of Revelation, let alone Rob Bell, this teaching will challenge and actually give you tools to read the Book of Revelation with understanding.

It is a bit long, so get some coffee and gather the family… it is worth it.

(Oops! Thanks to Eric for pointing this out)

Blessings
iggy


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