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Why does this disturb me?

October 27, 2005

I understand what this artist is doing, and I think in a way it is pretty cool… yet there is something just weird about these pictures.

I do believe Jesus is with us at all times. I know I have sensed His presence at times as if he literally was standing over my shoulder as I studied scripture.

Maybe it is the drawing of Jesus and that he looks like one of my “grunge friends” of the the 1990’s.
Maybe this confronts a side of me that does not desire that much intimacy with Jesus. Maybe I think Jesus has more important things to do than help one with their golf swing….

I found this through ship of fools.com if one was wondering. Which brings me to something else.

I have gone to that site numerous times and have yet to be able to get on. I seem to download forever and that is as far as it gets. Has anyone tried ship of fools?

blessings,
iggy

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Why does this disturb me?

October 27, 2005

I understand what this artist is doing, and I think in a way it is pretty cool… yet there is something just weird about these pictures.

I do believe Jesus is with us at all times. I know I have sensed His presence at times as if he literally was standing over my shoulder as I studied scripture.

Maybe it is the drawing of Jesus and that he looks like one of my “grunge friends” of the the 1990’s.
Maybe this confronts a side of me that does not desire that much intimacy with Jesus. Maybe I think Jesus has more important things to do than help one with their golf swing….

I found this through ship of fools.com if one was wondering. Which brings me to something else.

I have gone to that site numerous times and have yet to be able to get on. I seem to download forever and that is as far as it gets. Has anyone tried ship of fools?

blessings,
iggy

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Life is Whacked!

October 22, 2005

It seems like i get these jobs that seem, well whacked!

This is a bit of a story here so hang a bit with me. I may even ramble a bit as i am trying to connect this with something that makes some sense.

I applied for a job with a local cell phone company, and it looked like I had the job. I mean they said I was starting it on Wednesday… this was Monday, so i had to quit my job delivering cars for the car dealership, which I did on Tuesday.

Are you with me so far?

Wednesday came and about 4:50 I called and left a message saying, “I quit my job yesterday… you said I was starting on Wednesday, so…. could you get back to me about when i am starting?”

You see in the course of doing interviews I could not deliver vehicles… so any money for about 3 weeks… and it was slow again in getting calls.

Backing up a bit, my wife came home on Tuesday, saying that there was a position open at the local paper… (Billings Gazette) and they were interested in my applying, which i did.I did an interview, and boy was it bad. I had a bit of a cold and was taking some nighttime cold medicine so my head was groggy. It was the worst interview i think I ever did. I had done 3 great interviews, which one was with the president of the company… which from what I was told did not happen that often… I was to be impressed.

I went dragging my tail back to the car dealer and begged for my job back….The GM said no problem, but he had to talk to one of the owners… which when she came in I asked and got, “I DON”T KNOW!” (I hate the little games they play) I went back to the GM and he said he would talk to her and call me to let me, know if i got the job back. I thought they would let me come back, but only after they punished me a bit. They are that petty.

The end of Friday I was pretty beat then I get this call. “Hey man, how’re you doing? We decided to not hire you, as I don’t think I could get you the hours you need. Also, you mentioned benefits and without the hours you won’t get those, so bla, bla,bla,bla,bla,bla,bla… you are on the top of the list when something opens up.”
Then the Gazette called again.”We would like to do another interview with you on Monday.”Now, I have yet to hear from the dealership, and really I need to move on from them, as I feel so often compromised ethically as I work there. I decide to go to the Gazette interview.

Monday I get the new job.

I am in charge of all the single copy delivery. Meaning, those paper vending machines, I work on those and manage the night delivery drivers to get the machines filled.

God has a sense of humor, often I don’t laugh at His playing. I will say as I was attending at my first meeting, I had this feeling my phone would ring… so I did the courteous thing and set it to vibrate. And sure enough it rang, a salesman needed a driver. I called him later and said I am no longer working there as no one bothered to call me to tell me I had my job back.

I was called 3 more time since then… I think they may understand I am seriously gone.

I know they would call me when they needed me. As now two drivers are on vacation, which leaves them with 3 on call. They are very short handed.

As I reflect, and again this is a bit lengthy and rambling so I apologize. I see many things. The most obvious is this.
I left a lifestyle I did not feel was ethical for me to live. My job often left me in personal conflict between doing my job the best I could and seeing people who have no business buying cars, getting deeper in debt. I was tired of seeing how sales and management seemed to often lie to banks and to the customer. I was tired of the games they played with people’s lives. The money was pretty good though when the runs came in.

The Hebrews often complained and wanted to turn back to Egypt. I went back, but was not welcome with open arms. So I wandered until God opened the doors.
I am not saying this new job is the promise land. But, it does set me free from living a compromised life.

Blessings,
iggy

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Life is Whacked!

October 22, 2005

It seems like i get these jobs that seem, well whacked!

This is a bit of a story here so hang a bit with me. I may even ramble a bit as i am trying to connect this with something that makes some sense.

I applied for a job with a local cell phone company, and it looked like I had the job. I mean they said I was starting it on Wednesday… this was Monday, so i had to quit my job delivering cars for the car dealership, which I did on Tuesday.

Are you with me so far?

Wednesday came and about 4:50 I called and left a message saying, “I quit my job yesterday… you said I was starting on Wednesday, so…. could you get back to me about when i am starting?”

You see in the course of doing interviews I could not deliver vehicles… so any money for about 3 weeks… and it was slow again in getting calls.

Backing up a bit, my wife came home on Tuesday, saying that there was a position open at the local paper… (Billings Gazette) and they were interested in my applying, which i did.I did an interview, and boy was it bad. I had a bit of a cold and was taking some nighttime cold medicine so my head was groggy. It was the worst interview i think I ever did. I had done 3 great interviews, which one was with the president of the company… which from what I was told did not happen that often… I was to be impressed.

I went dragging my tail back to the car dealer and begged for my job back….The GM said no problem, but he had to talk to one of the owners… which when she came in I asked and got, “I DON”T KNOW!” (I hate the little games they play) I went back to the GM and he said he would talk to her and call me to let me, know if i got the job back. I thought they would let me come back, but only after they punished me a bit. They are that petty.

The end of Friday I was pretty beat then I get this call. “Hey man, how’re you doing? We decided to not hire you, as I don’t think I could get you the hours you need. Also, you mentioned benefits and without the hours you won’t get those, so bla, bla,bla,bla,bla,bla,bla… you are on the top of the list when something opens up.”
Then the Gazette called again.”We would like to do another interview with you on Monday.”Now, I have yet to hear from the dealership, and really I need to move on from them, as I feel so often compromised ethically as I work there. I decide to go to the Gazette interview.

Monday I get the new job.

I am in charge of all the single copy delivery. Meaning, those paper vending machines, I work on those and manage the night delivery drivers to get the machines filled.

God has a sense of humor, often I don’t laugh at His playing. I will say as I was attending at my first meeting, I had this feeling my phone would ring… so I did the courteous thing and set it to vibrate. And sure enough it rang, a salesman needed a driver. I called him later and said I am no longer working there as no one bothered to call me to tell me I had my job back.

I was called 3 more time since then… I think they may understand I am seriously gone.

I know they would call me when they needed me. As now two drivers are on vacation, which leaves them with 3 on call. They are very short handed.

As I reflect, and again this is a bit lengthy and rambling so I apologize. I see many things. The most obvious is this.
I left a lifestyle I did not feel was ethical for me to live. My job often left me in personal conflict between doing my job the best I could and seeing people who have no business buying cars, getting deeper in debt. I was tired of seeing how sales and management seemed to often lie to banks and to the customer. I was tired of the games they played with people’s lives. The money was pretty good though when the runs came in.

The Hebrews often complained and wanted to turn back to Egypt. I went back, but was not welcome with open arms. So I wandered until God opened the doors.
I am not saying this new job is the promise land. But, it does set me free from living a compromised life.

Blessings,
iggy

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A Continuing Conversation on TSKW

October 13, 2005

A Continuing Conversation on TSKW

This is an offshoot conversation with Jason who entered into a thread concerning Fundamentalism as it may or may not fit into the Emergent thought. I will say upfront I do not think so.
I will not post Jason’s post here as one can read it in full at TSKW’s site.

His main points which I hope I have addressed in my response are, and Jason please correct me as I do the modern thing and reduce your thought to points.

  1. The main problem of PM and Fundamentalism is consistency in logic.
  2. Dealing with so called “paradoxes”
  3. Confronting the “Mystery” of Who God is. Is He truly unknowable?
  4. The issue of weird doctrine and interpretation.
  5. Biblical inspiration (I am not sure I have addressed this though I will make an attempt at it at a later time.
  6. Relativism

I will add Jason as many of my readers are seems well educated. I am always a little intimidated as my own knowledge is lacking in many regards.

Be blessed and feel free to enter the conversation.

Jason,
It is good to discuss with respect isn’t it.

I agree that one of the characteristics of God is consistency. I see that with our own tainted worldview we often input our own Ideals about God into doctrines or miss the main point altogether. As in Isaiah 57, I see that God is saying His thoughts are on a level that only to know Him may we understand. To know Him is to forsake our evil, turn to God and then He will give us His Way.

This Way is a Person, or Jesus Himself. He has given us His mind, yet we still often work from the bottom up in logic to find His Way. When one comes to Christ we are exchanging our will for His Will and Purpose. A purpose is given at the inception of a Christian rebirth into Christ. We do not seek a purpose it seeks us as we live in Christ.

Too often, and I through myself into this camp as often I too fail, we do not look to Christ Jesus as The Truth Absolute. I agree to a point that we finite and fallen creatures cannot understand truth without tainting it in some way. Though we may grasp a part, it is corrupted as it passes through the filters of our mind. In that way I see the Relativists are right. We have had our eyes open to see the difference between good and evil, given statutes and laws that step by step give us all the mercy and grace and forgiveness and blessings of God, yet have not the moral consistency to live it out.

We need something more. That is Truth, or as John said, The Logos of God, came to us and showed us it was possible by a total dependant relationship with the Father, or as I say the Speaker. For the Word is dependant on the Speaker as Jesus was dependant on the Father. I am one with Christ as I am dependant for all things on Christ Jesus.

I do think doctrine is a good thing; the issue to me is that does the doctrine add too or hinder grace. Either way it takes away from the purity of Grace. Jesus’ Grace is sufficient. We can say the line is here cross it and one is saved; yet the true line is with in each person’s heart… and God only knows when that line is crossed.

I do believe God is a mystery… yet not as One that cannot ever be known. Rather One that is continually revealing Himself to us. That was the purpose of Jesus to reveal the Love and mercy and Grace of God in His desire of relationship with a fallen creature. There are levels of this great mystery we will have told to us later.

I agree that it is often a cop out to use “paradox” as a way of explaining what someone does not understand. Honesty is greatly needed these days and a genuine, “I don’t know”, can go so much farther than a lofty “paradoxical” explanation that really makes the person sound either of great knowledge or plain silly. Honesty is much needed in theology.

As far as evil that be stills man, I see in scripture that God will do some great and terrible things in line of judgment. Did He have His hand in Katrina, or the recent earthquakes in Pakistan? How quick we are to blame God, or Satan or Bush, or whoever. How slow we are to respond with compassion and aid and Love. The way I see God having a hand is in our response. What was our reaction? I look at the scripture and see in Luke 13 Jesus talking of those who died when the tower in Siloam as it fell on them. He asks are these men more guilty then any others in Jerusalem? I ask the same here… if this Katrina was God’s judgment, why were those people’s sin worse than anyone else’s in America?

We are quick to judge and slow to give mercy.

God tells us He is not a man that He would lie. To me meaning that He will not go back on His word as say the God of Islam may, or man himself who in one breath can smile then kill you as you turn your back. Though we may lack understanding God consistently desires for us to know Him. In that is a greater mystery than trying to fathom whether God is knowable. We serve that God of revelation, not an arbitrary god like Allah who can be good then bring calamity and have no reason other than he is god. That is what sets our Great God apart from the others.

I could go on…

Blessings,
iggy

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A Continuing Conversation on TSKW

October 13, 2005

A Continuing Conversation on TSKW

This is an offshoot conversation with Jason who entered into a thread concerning Fundamentalism as it may or may not fit into the Emergent thought. I will say upfront I do not think so.
I will not post Jason’s post here as one can read it in full at TSKW’s site.

His main points which I hope I have addressed in my response are, and Jason please correct me as I do the modern thing and reduce your thought to points.

  1. The main problem of PM and Fundamentalism is consistency in logic.
  2. Dealing with so called “paradoxes”
  3. Confronting the “Mystery” of Who God is. Is He truly unknowable?
  4. The issue of weird doctrine and interpretation.
  5. Biblical inspiration (I am not sure I have addressed this though I will make an attempt at it at a later time.
  6. Relativism

I will add Jason as many of my readers are seems well educated. I am always a little intimidated as my own knowledge is lacking in many regards.

Be blessed and feel free to enter the conversation.

Jason,
It is good to discuss with respect isn’t it.

I agree that one of the characteristics of God is consistency. I see that with our own tainted worldview we often input our own Ideals about God into doctrines or miss the main point altogether. As in Isaiah 57, I see that God is saying His thoughts are on a level that only to know Him may we understand. To know Him is to forsake our evil, turn to God and then He will give us His Way.

This Way is a Person, or Jesus Himself. He has given us His mind, yet we still often work from the bottom up in logic to find His Way. When one comes to Christ we are exchanging our will for His Will and Purpose. A purpose is given at the inception of a Christian rebirth into Christ. We do not seek a purpose it seeks us as we live in Christ.

Too often, and I through myself into this camp as often I too fail, we do not look to Christ Jesus as The Truth Absolute. I agree to a point that we finite and fallen creatures cannot understand truth without tainting it in some way. Though we may grasp a part, it is corrupted as it passes through the filters of our mind. In that way I see the Relativists are right. We have had our eyes open to see the difference between good and evil, given statutes and laws that step by step give us all the mercy and grace and forgiveness and blessings of God, yet have not the moral consistency to live it out.

We need something more. That is Truth, or as John said, The Logos of God, came to us and showed us it was possible by a total dependant relationship with the Father, or as I say the Speaker. For the Word is dependant on the Speaker as Jesus was dependant on the Father. I am one with Christ as I am dependant for all things on Christ Jesus.

I do think doctrine is a good thing; the issue to me is that does the doctrine add too or hinder grace. Either way it takes away from the purity of Grace. Jesus’ Grace is sufficient. We can say the line is here cross it and one is saved; yet the true line is with in each person’s heart… and God only knows when that line is crossed.

I do believe God is a mystery… yet not as One that cannot ever be known. Rather One that is continually revealing Himself to us. That was the purpose of Jesus to reveal the Love and mercy and Grace of God in His desire of relationship with a fallen creature. There are levels of this great mystery we will have told to us later.

I agree that it is often a cop out to use “paradox” as a way of explaining what someone does not understand. Honesty is greatly needed these days and a genuine, “I don’t know”, can go so much farther than a lofty “paradoxical” explanation that really makes the person sound either of great knowledge or plain silly. Honesty is much needed in theology.

As far as evil that be stills man, I see in scripture that God will do some great and terrible things in line of judgment. Did He have His hand in Katrina, or the recent earthquakes in Pakistan? How quick we are to blame God, or Satan or Bush, or whoever. How slow we are to respond with compassion and aid and Love. The way I see God having a hand is in our response. What was our reaction? I look at the scripture and see in Luke 13 Jesus talking of those who died when the tower in Siloam as it fell on them. He asks are these men more guilty then any others in Jerusalem? I ask the same here… if this Katrina was God’s judgment, why were those people’s sin worse than anyone else’s in America?

We are quick to judge and slow to give mercy.

God tells us He is not a man that He would lie. To me meaning that He will not go back on His word as say the God of Islam may, or man himself who in one breath can smile then kill you as you turn your back. Though we may lack understanding God consistently desires for us to know Him. In that is a greater mystery than trying to fathom whether God is knowable. We serve that God of revelation, not an arbitrary god like Allah who can be good then bring calamity and have no reason other than he is god. That is what sets our Great God apart from the others.

I could go on…

Blessings,
iggy

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Prayer Please…

October 12, 2005

I don’t know about you, but I seem to have these times when all Hell breaks loose. This seems to be at very crucial times for me. Like becoming homeless and having to choose to move to Montana. Not finding work for a year as my wife gives birth to my first child, then having a major lull in my job where there is little income at the time of my second child’s birth.

In the last year I have worked very hard at developing a new fellowship. Since I am a bit out of the norm as regards to what many call “traditional instutionalized church” I have not been able to find a parent church to back me…. Now before you think I am whining here, I hope you realize that God has been there with me through all this. Sometimes I have not been able to pay some bills, yet, I have never been hungry, naked, or without shelter. God has given me a wife of wives who I see as a testimony of God’s love to me every day.

Hard times fall on us all. As I am entering into phase two of the fellowship I hope to develop in Billings, I have been feeling that breath of Satan on my neck. Though, I don’t enjoy the feeling, I realize that it is He who is nervous and scared, not me. I may have concerns as to how to pay rent, which is temporal, His concerns are eternal.

In the big scheme of things I see that God is moving in my life, I can be bogged down with the lies that God has forsaken me and that He no longer cares for me. If I just look at the superficial circumstances around me I would have to say it is so. Yet, as I dig deeper into that internal place of the heart, that Garden of Peace beyond understanding planted with the Seed of Jesus, I am a rest. My fears are exchanged with Truth, the Person of Jesus Himself.

One can fear shadows, yet as one faces the Sun, the shadows that fire imaginations darker side are squelched. I am not worried in the way someone without hope may worry, as I look forward to what God’s plan is and how He will be working out His purpose in me.

God has been so faithful as He has brought Fellow Fishermen to my side, David and Chad and their families. At a time where I could have felt so alone I have been given the gift of fellow servants who’s hope is the same as mine. Believe me that is a hard measure, and I see that these men are a great and wonderful gift from God.

I ask only for prayers at this crucial time. Not that the trials are taken away as I desire the growth they give me, but the protection over those we minister to. Prayer to be able to fill my worldly obligations. Prayer to become more sensitive to the needs of the lost sheep of Billings Montana. I desire prayer for David and Chad and their families as they are experiencing some attack also.

Romans 5

1.  Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2.through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. 3.  Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4. perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5.  And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

Blessings,
Pastor Carlos