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Wacko Fundamentalists who teach false doctrine.

September 19, 2009
Sorry, just gotta rant a bit here…

Just finished talking to a wacko fundamentalist who thinks that reconciliation is just for believers…

Here is his quote: “I read what you wrote, and am more than familiar with Jesus’ words about reconciling with one’s brother. But that isn’t the ‘ministry of reconciliation’ that Paul spoke about in 2 Cor. 5. Read it for yourself, and see.”

Really God reconciled us while we were still enemies…

“Rom 5: 10. For if, when we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!”
He asked me how those who are not saved are reconciled… and stated that reconciliation is only in one verse in Corinthians… (I will correct myself here. He stated that the phrase “ministry of reconciliation” is only mentioned once which is true, yet he still denies it is more than just for believers) blah read up on your bible dude! How about the whole “go and be reconciled to your brother” verse in Matt 5:23-24, or the verse often used out of context in Matt 18: 19-20 “19. “Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.” I guess that Jesus was NOT teaching reconciliation there either? If one reads the verse in context it sure is. In its context it is about reconciliation… We are to bring peace to others through Christ… that is the fullness of the ministry of reconciliation… for if we are not at peace with our brothers and sisters, we are not at peace with Christ. Without forgiveness of others we are not walking in Christ’s forgiveness… and not reconciled. Matt 6:14-15 14. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins

When we were God’s enemies, we WERE reconciled through the death of Jesus on the Cross… Jesus reconciled SINNERS on the Cross… opening salvation that came… at the Resurrection… as Romans states..
The sad thing is, when I pointed him to links showing Glenn Beck lied, he then played the “I am being so persecuted card.” All the while accusing me of all sorts of things.
We are saved through Jesus’ life… not death. Again… read the bible and learn what it says instead of following Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh! Sheesh! And they call me the heretic… LOL! All in all, I see that following idols will give you only bad fruit…
I find it odd that when I lift up Christ over politics I get “Christians” angry. “Keep yourselves from idols…” 1 John 5:21 I believe this also includes political idols also. We are not of this world’s kingdoms… we are part of God’s Kingdom. I know Martin Luther talks of being of two kingdoms… yet, the Bible says, “Be a good citizen” I take that as living at peace in any kingdom… and at times… if it is ungodly… live in it as best you can. (taking in the broader ideas of Scripture.)

My politics are… Love others and live at peace as best you can. Look of ways to bring solutions to problems instead of polarization. Bring reconciliation instead of division. When we disagree, work out a reasonable solution. This is not my home, my world and my system I live under. I am accountable to God and must strive to live with a clear … Read Moreconscience between God and man. I believe in turning the other cheek… going the extra mile… even when those that are against will not. I believe we must strive to correct injustice with peaceful means if we can and if not (as a nation) leave it to God to sort out. (I am a pacifist) I will speak out against those who are hurting out nation and pray for them as well. Over all I recognize that Jesus is King over all creation, even the USA. Those are my politics… and with the aid of Jesus I will live at peace as best I can with my Fundamentalist wacko brothers and sisters in Christ. But I will not be silent when they teach false doctrine.

2 Corinthians 5: 14. For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. 16. So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 18. All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19. that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

I see this guy as a false teacher… Though I am not saying he is not saved. I leave that to God to judge.

Now go forth and be the Righteousness of God and bring reconciliation to those who need to know Jesus. Reconciliaiton is not just for the believer… but for those lost. It was given to us by the death of Christ on the Cross… it was given to ALL.