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One reason not to be quick to judge…

April 9, 2008

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One reason not to be quick to judge…

April 9, 2008


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One reason not to be quick to judge…

April 9, 2008

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Jim Bublitz accuses me of slandering him?

November 15, 2007

Jim Bublitz has some sort of sick vendetta against me and I have found that he seems to follow me around slandering me!

Now, Jim has followed me to Justin Taylor’s blog over the Steve Camp attacking Mark Driscoll scandal and accused me of slandering him again!

And what was the slanderous thing I said that was so heinous?

In fact the only people I “fight” with, I stopped going to their sites, like Christian Research Network and oldtruth.com and such as there is no conversation and if there is one you must agree with them… or you are mocked and attacked. ~ iggy being sooo mean and slandering Jim Bublitz! LOL!

And this is what Jim Bublitz calls slander?

By his comments he confesses HE DOES FOLLOW ME AROUND AND SLANDER ME!

It’s not uncommon for me to get “Iggy is slandering you on XYZ blog” notices, and with his mention of me above, I have landed here. ~ Jim Bublitz

But, whatever… I guess it is because his truth is old and my truth is eternal… LOL!

I think it is because I did a series on “the religionist” (part 4)and it was too close to home!

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

blessings,
iggy

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Jim Bublitz accuses me of slandering him?

November 15, 2007

Jim Bublitz has some sort of sick vendetta against me and I have found that he seems to follow me around slandering me!

Now, Jim has followed me to Justin Taylor’s blog over the Steve Camp attacking Mark Driscoll scandal and accused me of slandering him again!

And what was the slanderous thing I said that was so heinous?

In fact the only people I “fight” with, I stopped going to their sites, like Christian Research Network and oldtruth.com and such as there is no conversation and if there is one you must agree with them… or you are mocked and attacked. ~ iggy being sooo mean and slandering Jim Bublitz! LOL!

And this is what Jim Bublitz calls slander?

By his comments he confesses HE DOES FOLLOW ME AROUND AND SLANDER ME!

It’s not uncommon for me to get “Iggy is slandering you on XYZ blog” notices, and with his mention of me above, I have landed here. ~ Jim Bublitz

But, whatever… I guess it is because his truth is old and my truth is eternal… LOL!

I think it is because I did a series on “the religionist” (part 4)and it was too close to home!

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

blessings,
iggy

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The Irony of Steve Camp calling for an apology from Mark Driscoll

November 13, 2007
Steve Camp “publicly” called for an apology at Justin Taylor’s site:

“Mark,

I am addressing this here publicly to you for you made a derogatory comment about it this past Sunday publicly and indirectly about Timmy’s character and person. What made it very ironic, was that your sarcasm directed specifically to this brother’s question was in the context of a sermon on humility, the incarnation, humiliation, and coronation of Jesus Christ in your Philippians series. You confessed to your church body about the need in your own life for humility and the subsequent pride that has infected others (some men you mentioned) and that it has in turn hurt the church. “

Now the irony is that “Timmy” does not seem to be so “offended” as Steve Camp is. So, it seems that it is Steve who has a beef against Mark than any need for an apology.

Again, Steve finds no issue in slandering “publicly” Mark Driscoll in stating he offended a brother and harmed the body of Christ, when the so call offended one is not even offended…

So again I call Steve to publicly repent of his own slander and false accusations against his brother Mark and harming the Body of Christ by his actions.

For more about this issue here is more.

Click here to see why Steve is smiling!
And how is this different from this CCM event except that Steve is putting on the cruise himself? I see no difference in the two except one person getting more profit and emulating the world under the guise of living a “worship centered life”. Personally, I see that is not the same as a Christ centered life…
Be blessed,
iggy
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The Irony of Steve Camp calling for an apology from Mark Driscoll

November 13, 2007
Steve Camp “publicly” called for an apology at Justin Taylor’s site:

“Mark,

I am addressing this here publicly to you for you made a derogatory comment about it this past Sunday publicly and indirectly about Timmy’s character and person. What made it very ironic, was that your sarcasm directed specifically to this brother’s question was in the context of a sermon on humility, the incarnation, humiliation, and coronation of Jesus Christ in your Philippians series. You confessed to your church body about the need in your own life for humility and the subsequent pride that has infected others (some men you mentioned) and that it has in turn hurt the church. “

Now the irony is that “Timmy” does not seem to be so “offended” as Steve Camp is. So, it seems that it is Steve who has a beef against Mark than any need for an apology.

Again, Steve finds no issue in slandering “publicly” Mark Driscoll in stating he offended a brother and harmed the body of Christ, when the so call offended one is not even offended…

So again I call Steve to publicly repent of his own slander and false accusations against his brother Mark and harming the Body of Christ by his actions.

For more about this issue here is more.

Click here to see why Steve is smiling!
And how is this different from this CCM event except that Steve is putting on the cruise himself? I see no difference in the two except one person getting more profit and emulating the world under the guise of living a “worship centered life”. Personally, I see that is not the same as a Christ centered life…
Be blessed,
iggy
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Great Quotes (kind of): Steve Camp

November 12, 2007
“When a pastor continually makes light of the character of our Lord by speaking in scatological tones about the Son of Man’s bodily functions in incarnation or wearing T-Shirts that rather mock the King of Righteousness rather than glorify Him, then something is terribly awry.” ~ Steve Camp on Mark Driscoll in comments.
Then he holds up Martin Luther with great reverence… promoting this “Great Reformer”.


Yet, here is the real Martin Luther… btw there is a warning that this site is very crude… as these are real Martin Luther quotes and anti Semitic statements.

(A bit of a disclaimer about the link here… the quotes are accurate and Luther seemed to also like to say the “s” word… yep that “scatological tone” was not just a tone as with Driscoll… the man had no qualms using it as one of his favorite cuss words… But the guy at this site made me laugh as he uses some bizarre reasoning to say Luther was not even saved! LOL!… Then basically states what Luther based his whole life on as the only way to salvation…. “saved by grace through faith”! LOL! So, I do not endorse the site but found it entertaining in his circular reasoning… again the quotes are pure Luther.)

Now, I am not a fan of Mark Driscoll… and I admit I may have gone a bit overboard at the link above were Camp is quoted. Yet, this continual double standard that comes from Steve Camp is at best embarrassing and at worse a sore blind spot he has yet to acknowledge in himself before he attacks others.

Also, I am not against Martin Luther. I just think that candy-coating him or any of the “great reformers” is dishonest. They were all frail men with huge flaws just like myself.

I point to Steve Camp only to show that some who cast stones and hold a righteousness of themselves over others, fail to see that no one is righteous… and all have sinned. To attack Driscoll as Camp is doing then hold up a foul mouthed reformer… is very hypocritical.

Now, before you state I am doing the same thing, this is the huge difference. I have an open door to reconciliation… and as you may have read, Steve is attacking Driscoll over a supposedly offended brother, (which we have no idea if he was actually offended) and not giving Driscoll any grace over his confession in lacking humility… in fact as you read the “MacArthurite” comments even his confession is held suspect. That is not only sad, but sick. I hold that Steve is already forgiven, but will be held in bondage by his own legalistic standard… and not truly experience the Grace of God in all fullness unless he can see his own double standards and turn to God. I hope to only warn Steve in the Love of Jesus… and not attacking him personally.

Oh if you think I am being unkind to Steve Camp… here are some other quotes by him concerning Mark…

Carla:
“Very good post–thank you.
Mark is a marketeer and that’s what all this is about. He has some books coming out first quarter next year; he wants to stir some additional attention to himself; so he promotes in acerbic tones this ridiculous campaign that some people think is a serious theological venture; he snarkastically mocks those who post serious biblical questions (see last Sunday’s message); he’s again relishing in all the attention.
For some zealous bloggers who are enamored with Mark to suggest that he’s the next Billy Graham is beyond funny. In fact I was laughing so hard when reading that, that some reformed brothers I was with thought I had experienced the Toronto Blessing.
Mark hasn’t done anything for biblical evangelism to date. His church grows primarily through attrition; not first time conversions. (*Note: Lordship Salvation offers no assurance, but makes one constantly look at their own fruit to make sure they are still elect! It is a performance based theology based on works. Also, I am not sure Steve knows what attrition means as how can a church grow bigger and smaller at the same time? If he means that it grew out of the other churches in the area losing members, then he need look at how John MacArthur’s church grew out of the population of Roman Catholics who left that church in the early days and joined Macarthur’s… ) I was at Mark’sHill about a month ago and attended a service there. A few observations: there was no public reading of God’s Word; there was no corporate worship taking place; there was no time of corporate prayer; there was no biblical instruction before the entire church took communion; there was no sense of community or connectedness whatsoever; it was not a worship service, it was a very well produced performance. There was event security everywhere just hanging out with black t-shirts on that you would find at any professional wrestling event. It’s all part of the image.On the positive side: the technology out there is second to none; very organized – really great. It’s obvious that’s where the money goes. And I have to say, that the coffee in the coffee bar afterwards was really fantastic!
Mark’s not an expositor, he’s a performer. The sermon was lightweight in terms of biblical content and doctrine. In fact, he missed the text that day (Phil.1:1) – but hey, what does it matter, the videos, computer graphics and lights were amazing. If he spent as much time on the text as he did on the technology it might be different. And then there is the music. Oh my. Poorly executed, very trendy, alternative, garage band tunes. I don’t know who was up there leading that particular service, but the guy couldn’t sing–I mean it was painful – dogs and cats screaming! (*Note: I might mention the first time I heard Steve he sounded very forced and marginal at best, but I loved his early stuff as he had a very strong evangelistic spirit about his music.)
What’s all this mean? It means that Mark is young, inexperienced as a Bible teacher, and needs time to mature in the faith. It means that he is more promoter than pastor. Is he the next Billy Graham? – not unless you do ministry by comic books. Will he do more for Christian evangelism since Billy Graham by just answering nine questions on a blog turned book? Not a chance; it will have the same impact as Kathy Lee Gifford singing “You Light Up My Life” on The View.
Mark’sHill Church is really just a giant youth group meeting; and if it took place on a Friday night at a large pragmatic, seeker friendly church say in the Chicago area, it would fit in quite nicely. This is not serious, deep, biblical theology being presented. In Seattle language, it is a nonfat, caffeine free latte, with a shot of air. Mostly foam, little bean. (* Like songs about foul mouthed Martin Luther and the Wittenburg door? Just asking…)
Ask-anything-Mark? Why… he has little to say. If you want your questions answered just read your Bibles and study with great men like MacArthur, Sproul, Edwards, Owens, Watson, Pink, Calvin and Spurgeon–you won’t be disappointed.
That’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Keep on Carla – this was a really good article. Steve 2 Cor. 4:5-7 SJ Camp”

Really nice stuff there huh? Lot’s of name calling and very little Grace to Mark.
Now remember Steve Camp goes to John MacArthur’s (Grace to you) church (thus the name drop in the midst of some truly great bible teachers) and was introduced as “Keith Green with theology.” Personally, I would rather be introduced as one who truly loves Jesus and not that I am “theological”… but all this points to the type of arrogance that is produced by the theology at “Grace to you”… as it all points to Steve being more right(ous) than Mark and Steve putting Mark down as a fraud out to sell books and not truly having a confessional faith in Jesus Christ… He shows the lack of true faith and grace that comes with knowing Jesus in a personal way and that is why I call out that Steve return to his first love Jesus and forsake mental assent in a belief in God through doctrines. Note, I am in no way stating Steve is not saved… I believe him to be a sincere believer… but under some very bad doctrine.
All that said, I really commend Carla for this comment to Frank Turk of Team Pyro fame…

“Frank: I have deleted your second comment here simply because I cannot tolerate that sort of insulting tone here at this blog. Just FYI. Carla Rolfe”

So even some of the reformed fans are also getting a bit irritated with these guys!

Be blessed,
iggy

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Great Quotes (kind of): Steve Camp

November 12, 2007
“When a pastor continually makes light of the character of our Lord by speaking in scatological tones about the Son of Man’s bodily functions in incarnation or wearing T-Shirts that rather mock the King of Righteousness rather than glorify Him, then something is terribly awry.” ~ Steve Camp on Mark Driscoll in comments.
Then he holds up Martin Luther with great reverence… promoting this “Great Reformer”.


Yet, here is the real Martin Luther… btw there is a warning that this site is very crude… as these are real Martin Luther quotes and anti Semitic statements.

(A bit of a disclaimer about the link here… the quotes are accurate and Luther seemed to also like to say the “s” word… yep that “scatological tone” was not just a tone as with Driscoll… the man had no qualms using it as one of his favorite cuss words… But the guy at this site made me laugh as he uses some bizarre reasoning to say Luther was not even saved! LOL!… Then basically states what Luther based his whole life on as the only way to salvation…. “saved by grace through faith”! LOL! So, I do not endorse the site but found it entertaining in his circular reasoning… again the quotes are pure Luther.)

Now, I am not a fan of Mark Driscoll… and I admit I may have gone a bit overboard at the link above were Camp is quoted. Yet, this continual double standard that comes from Steve Camp is at best embarrassing and at worse a sore blind spot he has yet to acknowledge in himself before he attacks others.

Also, I am not against Martin Luther. I just think that candy-coating him or any of the “great reformers” is dishonest. They were all frail men with huge flaws just like myself.

I point to Steve Camp only to show that some who cast stones and hold a righteousness of themselves over others, fail to see that no one is righteous… and all have sinned. To attack Driscoll as Camp is doing then hold up a foul mouthed reformer… is very hypocritical.

Now, before you state I am doing the same thing, this is the huge difference. I have an open door to reconciliation… and as you may have read, Steve is attacking Driscoll over a supposedly offended brother, (which we have no idea if he was actually offended) and not giving Driscoll any grace over his confession in lacking humility… in fact as you read the “MacArthurite” comments even his confession is held suspect. That is not only sad, but sick. I hold that Steve is already forgiven, but will be held in bondage by his own legalistic standard… and not truly experience the Grace of God in all fullness unless he can see his own double standards and turn to God. I hope to only warn Steve in the Love of Jesus… and not attacking him personally.

Oh if you think I am being unkind to Steve Camp… here are some other quotes by him concerning Mark…

Carla:
“Very good post–thank you.
Mark is a marketeer and that’s what all this is about. He has some books coming out first quarter next year; he wants to stir some additional attention to himself; so he promotes in acerbic tones this ridiculous campaign that some people think is a serious theological venture; he snarkastically mocks those who post serious biblical questions (see last Sunday’s message); he’s again relishing in all the attention.
For some zealous bloggers who are enamored with Mark to suggest that he’s the next Billy Graham is beyond funny. In fact I was laughing so hard when reading that, that some reformed brothers I was with thought I had experienced the Toronto Blessing.
Mark hasn’t done anything for biblical evangelism to date. His church grows primarily through attrition; not first time conversions. (*Note: Lordship Salvation offers no assurance, but makes one constantly look at their own fruit to make sure they are still elect! It is a performance based theology based on works. Also, I am not sure Steve knows what attrition means as how can a church grow bigger and smaller at the same time? If he means that it grew out of the other churches in the area losing members, then he need look at how John MacArthur’s church grew out of the population of Roman Catholics who left that church in the early days and joined Macarthur’s… ) I was at Mark’sHill about a month ago and attended a service there. A few observations: there was no public reading of God’s Word; there was no corporate worship taking place; there was no time of corporate prayer; there was no biblical instruction before the entire church took communion; there was no sense of community or connectedness whatsoever; it was not a worship service, it was a very well produced performance. There was event security everywhere just hanging out with black t-shirts on that you would find at any professional wrestling event. It’s all part of the image.On the positive side: the technology out there is second to none; very organized – really great. It’s obvious that’s where the money goes. And I have to say, that the coffee in the coffee bar afterwards was really fantastic!
Mark’s not an expositor, he’s a performer. The sermon was lightweight in terms of biblical content and doctrine. In fact, he missed the text that day (Phil.1:1) – but hey, what does it matter, the videos, computer graphics and lights were amazing. If he spent as much time on the text as he did on the technology it might be different. And then there is the music. Oh my. Poorly executed, very trendy, alternative, garage band tunes. I don’t know who was up there leading that particular service, but the guy couldn’t sing–I mean it was painful – dogs and cats screaming! (*Note: I might mention the first time I heard Steve he sounded very forced and marginal at best, but I loved his early stuff as he had a very strong evangelistic spirit about his music.)
What’s all this mean? It means that Mark is young, inexperienced as a Bible teacher, and needs time to mature in the faith. It means that he is more promoter than pastor. Is he the next Billy Graham? – not unless you do ministry by comic books. Will he do more for Christian evangelism since Billy Graham by just answering nine questions on a blog turned book? Not a chance; it will have the same impact as Kathy Lee Gifford singing “You Light Up My Life” on The View.
Mark’sHill Church is really just a giant youth group meeting; and if it took place on a Friday night at a large pragmatic, seeker friendly church say in the Chicago area, it would fit in quite nicely. This is not serious, deep, biblical theology being presented. In Seattle language, it is a nonfat, caffeine free latte, with a shot of air. Mostly foam, little bean. (* Like songs about foul mouthed Martin Luther and the Wittenburg door? Just asking…)
Ask-anything-Mark? Why… he has little to say. If you want your questions answered just read your Bibles and study with great men like MacArthur, Sproul, Edwards, Owens, Watson, Pink, Calvin and Spurgeon–you won’t be disappointed.
That’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Keep on Carla – this was a really good article. Steve 2 Cor. 4:5-7 SJ Camp”

Really nice stuff there huh? Lot’s of name calling and very little Grace to Mark.
Now remember Steve Camp goes to John MacArthur’s (Grace to you) church (thus the name drop in the midst of some truly great bible teachers) and was introduced as “Keith Green with theology.” Personally, I would rather be introduced as one who truly loves Jesus and not that I am “theological”… but all this points to the type of arrogance that is produced by the theology at “Grace to you”… as it all points to Steve being more right(ous) than Mark and Steve putting Mark down as a fraud out to sell books and not truly having a confessional faith in Jesus Christ… He shows the lack of true faith and grace that comes with knowing Jesus in a personal way and that is why I call out that Steve return to his first love Jesus and forsake mental assent in a belief in God through doctrines. Note, I am in no way stating Steve is not saved… I believe him to be a sincere believer… but under some very bad doctrine.
All that said, I really commend Carla for this comment to Frank Turk of Team Pyro fame…

“Frank: I have deleted your second comment here simply because I cannot tolerate that sort of insulting tone here at this blog. Just FYI. Carla Rolfe”

So even some of the reformed fans are also getting a bit irritated with these guys!

Be blessed,
iggy

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Its not about us, it all about Him… and getting to cruise in a big ship!

October 11, 2007

This just seems strange to me… the Audience One Cruise Ship!

The tag states:

“The Worship Centered Life:
It’s not about us, it all about Him.”

One can pay from $717.00 Plus to $1,720.00 plus just to hear Steve Camp and maybe sit with him in the on ship hot tub! Oh Boy!

(Steve Camp thinks Mark Driscoll uses bad language but thinks Martin Luther who used the “s” word rather freely, as a great guy and it seems not surprisingly Ingrid at the kinder gentler “slice” agrees! I hope that they don’t get offended by God’s truth by reading Ezekiel 23: 19-21! I mean God inspired Ezekiel to write that pornographic passage of scripture and all Mark Driscoll stated was “knocking boots”.)

The tag line seems a bit out of place… as it seems to be all about “me”… and not much about “Him”… Unless the “him” is Steve Camp or one of the other speakers.

Now, if I sound a bit harsh, I think that this is fitting that this fits their theology… that it is all about “me” getting saved from hell, and “me” getting to heaven… and “me” getting saved… it all sounds a bit human based and “me” centered to me. LOL!

But, they are free to pay for “indulgences” if they want… and if you go, tell Steve iggy says hi. I bet he has some nice things to say about me.

I hope Steve is making a few bucks on this as I know ministering on Cruise Ships has to be expensive!

Hope he remembers this…

“8. We fail to glorify Him when we make money a prerequisite for ministry; some to their own destruction teach that godliness is a means to financial gain. “Freely you have received; freely give.” (Matthew 6:24-34, 10:8-10; Acts 3:6, 20:33; 1 Timothy 6:5)” ~ From Steve Camp’s 107 THESES A Call for Reformation for Christian Ministry

be blessed,
iggy