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Scott McKnight interview Brian McLaren

September 22, 2010

Johnathan Brink had this posted on his blog. Thought I would pass it on.

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An Open Letter to Matt Slick

December 5, 2007

Matt,
I wanted to thank you for having Doug Pagitt on. I am also part of the “emerging church”. Though I am not a “member” of emergent, I have seen much value in the things they discuss. I see that they are especially of value in the area of Christoplatonism.
I wanted to also thank you for not being rude. So often these type of interviews are reduced to just that. I was a bit worried though with the opening. =) You might also find it interesting that I really appreciate Doug yet do not agree with him on all points… especially in the area of “eternal security”. Yet, there are orthodox people on both sides of that issue.
In the ec I hope you realize that there is much room in our conversation. As you might have already noticed there are some that view women pastors are fine and some like Mark Driscoll (who some of us no longer see as “emerging”), who do not see that is fine. Yet, within the “movement” (which is still an in-house debate whether to call it that or if it is one) we are open to challenging one another… with respect.

In regards to Karen Ward, I am not that read up on her myself. She may be considered a “leader” but there are some that consider ME that also… which I have to chuckle over as I am not that much of one if I am! LOL!
Yet, in this case you were unkind and did admit it to Doug. I think you should apologize.
Now, having said that, I agree with you that if she did state that it was OK to not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus then she is in error… and most other emerging/emergent I have run into would not agree with her at all.
Now, how we work though is if she is in error, and this is brought to the table of discussion so to say, she would be challenged by the rest of us. Again, mutual respect is help as one of the highest of values as we view commonly that God places high value on all humans be they believer or not. He sent His Son to die for us so we see that as one of the greatest values.
In this type of discussion we will firmly debate with one another. If one cannot “back their view” biblically… then we will agree to place in the secondary position of “is this an essential”.
In this iron sharpens iron… and I am sure Doug will talk with Karen and if it is as you state will discuss this.
As far as your ministry, I agree that you are in a very interesting place. To look for “orthodoxy” and to find whether one is a heretic or not would be tough to do. Yet, still if a person be a Mormon or JW, I would still place love in front of all things as I approached them. Mostly I would allow God to work as I did converse with them. I would challenge their view but not deride the person.
Walter Martin, who I understand mentored you, (unlike that other guy who stated he was mentored by Walter as he listened to a bunch of tapes) stated that this was very important to do… to not put down their leaders or attack their person… but focus solely on their doctrines.
As far as how this is done, I think it depends on the person. I have had to confront unbelievers who were sick from drinking binges… and after the second or third time I ran them to the emergency room I would be straight forward and tell them they needed help… and I would not let them get away with saying they had a “disease”. As, I am diabetic and have an actual disease I see that someone who places a substance purposely in their body, as in the case of alcohol is a drunk, not “sick” in the same way as someone with cancer. They need help but they do need to be confronted with their “sin” that is killing them. Cancer never comes in a glass nor did my diabetes. (I understand that this is a bit out of the AA understanding, but the bible calls a drunk a drunk) This may sound harsh but I am meaning that I have built a bit of a relationship… and in that can give that person my honest and blunt opinion. Also, I see that this person is dying and in that do not care to waste much time “just to be nice” though I do not want to be unkind.
I think that Doug was very much in your face, yet you could sense he cared and still had genuine love for you as you talked… I see that this is the way you need to confront others also.
Over all I wanted to thank you as I did. I have been attacked by some very harshly and called an apostate and told I am not saved, just becuase I have a link to Brian McLaren on my website… that is a bit silly as I also have Dr. J Vernon McGee and Chuck Missler. They seemed to not care in my confession of faith in Jesus but only that they hate those they see outside their own narrow belief and doctrine… in fact many of these get confused when I state things like “having a relationship with Jesus” or “must recieve the Life of Christ” which seems to me the most crucial of beliefs one should have as a believer in Jesus.
I wanted to recommend two other “emerging” folk.
Andrew Jones is a great guy and I think you would enjoy interviewing him. He is also known as the Tall Skinny Kiwi. I would also recommend Scot McKnight who is a professor and author and considered to be one of the finest up and coming theologians out there today. His blog is called Jesus Creed like his book of hte same name. Allen Roxburgh of ALLELON would be another person as he is very close to Brian McLaren.
Be blessed,
iggy
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An Open Letter to Matt Slick

December 5, 2007

Matt,
I wanted to thank you for having Doug Pagitt on. I am also part of the “emerging church”. Though I am not a “member” of emergent, I have seen much value in the things they discuss. I see that they are especially of value in the area of Christoplatonism.
I wanted to also thank you for not being rude. So often these type of interviews are reduced to just that. I was a bit worried though with the opening. =) You might also find it interesting that I really appreciate Doug yet do not agree with him on all points… especially in the area of “eternal security”. Yet, there are orthodox people on both sides of that issue.
In the ec I hope you realize that there is much room in our conversation. As you might have already noticed there are some that view women pastors are fine and some like Mark Driscoll (who some of us no longer see as “emerging”), who do not see that is fine. Yet, within the “movement” (which is still an in-house debate whether to call it that or if it is one) we are open to challenging one another… with respect.

In regards to Karen Ward, I am not that read up on her myself. She may be considered a “leader” but there are some that consider ME that also… which I have to chuckle over as I am not that much of one if I am! LOL!
Yet, in this case you were unkind and did admit it to Doug. I think you should apologize.
Now, having said that, I agree with you that if she did state that it was OK to not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus then she is in error… and most other emerging/emergent I have run into would not agree with her at all.
Now, how we work though is if she is in error, and this is brought to the table of discussion so to say, she would be challenged by the rest of us. Again, mutual respect is help as one of the highest of values as we view commonly that God places high value on all humans be they believer or not. He sent His Son to die for us so we see that as one of the greatest values.
In this type of discussion we will firmly debate with one another. If one cannot “back their view” biblically… then we will agree to place in the secondary position of “is this an essential”.
In this iron sharpens iron… and I am sure Doug will talk with Karen and if it is as you state will discuss this.
As far as your ministry, I agree that you are in a very interesting place. To look for “orthodoxy” and to find whether one is a heretic or not would be tough to do. Yet, still if a person be a Mormon or JW, I would still place love in front of all things as I approached them. Mostly I would allow God to work as I did converse with them. I would challenge their view but not deride the person.
Walter Martin, who I understand mentored you, (unlike that other guy who stated he was mentored by Walter as he listened to a bunch of tapes) stated that this was very important to do… to not put down their leaders or attack their person… but focus solely on their doctrines.
As far as how this is done, I think it depends on the person. I have had to confront unbelievers who were sick from drinking binges… and after the second or third time I ran them to the emergency room I would be straight forward and tell them they needed help… and I would not let them get away with saying they had a “disease”. As, I am diabetic and have an actual disease I see that someone who places a substance purposely in their body, as in the case of alcohol is a drunk, not “sick” in the same way as someone with cancer. They need help but they do need to be confronted with their “sin” that is killing them. Cancer never comes in a glass nor did my diabetes. (I understand that this is a bit out of the AA understanding, but the bible calls a drunk a drunk) This may sound harsh but I am meaning that I have built a bit of a relationship… and in that can give that person my honest and blunt opinion. Also, I see that this person is dying and in that do not care to waste much time “just to be nice” though I do not want to be unkind.
I think that Doug was very much in your face, yet you could sense he cared and still had genuine love for you as you talked… I see that this is the way you need to confront others also.
Over all I wanted to thank you as I did. I have been attacked by some very harshly and called an apostate and told I am not saved, just becuase I have a link to Brian McLaren on my website… that is a bit silly as I also have Dr. J Vernon McGee and Chuck Missler. They seemed to not care in my confession of faith in Jesus but only that they hate those they see outside their own narrow belief and doctrine… in fact many of these get confused when I state things like “having a relationship with Jesus” or “must recieve the Life of Christ” which seems to me the most crucial of beliefs one should have as a believer in Jesus.
I wanted to recommend two other “emerging” folk.
Andrew Jones is a great guy and I think you would enjoy interviewing him. He is also known as the Tall Skinny Kiwi. I would also recommend Scot McKnight who is a professor and author and considered to be one of the finest up and coming theologians out there today. His blog is called Jesus Creed like his book of hte same name. Allen Roxburgh of ALLELON would be another person as he is very close to Brian McLaren.
Be blessed,
iggy
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A Letter from a gay man changed by Jesus Christ

October 16, 2007
Scot McKnight posted this letter from a man who was gay and a Christian. He talks of his struggles yet as you read it you will see that as he was lead by the Holy Spirit, he was lead out of the gay lifestyle. This is a message of hope that is in Christ.

I might add this is not the fruit of “emerging” though he recommends a Rob Bell book, it is solely the victory of Jesus Christ in a person’s life as lead by the Holy Spirit.

Here is part of the letter…

“I came back into “church fellowship” through a man I met at a gay bar. He was actively gay at the time, separated, with one child, and deeply committed to his own walk with Christ. He and I never had sex. After several years, he became celibate and continued Christian outreach to gays. I was part of that outreach and had become celibate myself. I felt the Lord calling me to celibacy, at least for a time, after the painful breakup of the two “long term” relationships.”

You can read the whole letter here

Be Blessed,
iggy

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A Letter from a gay man changed by Jesus Christ

October 16, 2007
Scot McKnight posted this letter from a man who was gay and a Christian. He talks of his struggles yet as you read it you will see that as he was lead by the Holy Spirit, he was lead out of the gay lifestyle. This is a message of hope that is in Christ.

I might add this is not the fruit of “emerging” though he recommends a Rob Bell book, it is solely the victory of Jesus Christ in a person’s life as lead by the Holy Spirit.

Here is part of the letter…

“I came back into “church fellowship” through a man I met at a gay bar. He was actively gay at the time, separated, with one child, and deeply committed to his own walk with Christ. He and I never had sex. After several years, he became celibate and continued Christian outreach to gays. I was part of that outreach and had become celibate myself. I felt the Lord calling me to celibacy, at least for a time, after the painful breakup of the two “long term” relationships.”

You can read the whole letter here

Be Blessed,
iggy

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Scot McKnight… The Whole Gospel

July 25, 2007

I highly reccomend that one take a listen to Scot McKnight’s podcast called The Whole Gospel.

blessings,
iggy

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Scot McKnight… The Whole Gospel

July 25, 2007

I highly reccomend that one take a listen to Scot McKnight’s podcast called The Whole Gospel.

blessings,
iggy