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Book Review: Religions of the Stars by Richard Abanes

July 7, 2009

Book Review: Religions of the Stars by Richard Abanes

I consider it a privilege to review any book. Even more when it is a friend’s book, though with that sometimes comes the trepidation that I may read the book too charitable or not charitable enough.

I have gotten to know Richard Abanes over the last year or so at various websites we both hang out at. He is very insightful and what I would consider being from the old school of Discernment ministries. His lineage as I call does come directly from Walter Martin and Christian Research Institute. Suffice it to say I would recommend him as one of the “good” discernment minstries out there. Richard has authored many books and at times even I would consider him a bit controversial.

To be straight forward, Richard and I do not agree on everything. Yet, unlike many who profess “discernment” I have not found him to be antagonistic toward me at all. Personally I think the disagreements are very minor and truthfully, Richard is the type of person that can agree to disagree on the minor things, yet will fight tooth and nail over the essentials.

Religions of the Stars is a very informative book. It is broken into different sections as to how Hollywood stars believe.

Oprah’s New Spirtuality : This covers the life of Oprah which was very humanizing of her, and then goes into the critique of Oprah’s New Age belief in contrast to the Christian faith.
Mormon in Movieland: This section covers and contrasts Mormonism with Christianity
The Buddha Comes to Tinseltown: This section covers how Buddhism came to Hollywood and contrasts Buddhism with Christianity
Scientolgy: Hollywood’s A-List Religion: This gives a very revealing look at Scientology and is very informative. Again, this section contrasts Scientology with Christianity
Kabbalah a la Madonna: This is also an interesting section as Abanes covers and contrasts not just Christianity but also Judaism/Kabbalahism with the new pop version that Madonna and others follow.
The Magick of Hollywood: This section covers Occultism in Hollywood and again contrasts it with Christianity

Each section is informative, humanizing and easy to read. I learned much about Scientology and the type of Kabbalahism that Madonna is into. Richard Abanes really never goes into sensationalism which would be easy to do in such a book.

Now there are two minor critiques:

I do believe there is a “Christian” panentheism. This type acknowledges that God is separate from creation, yet also sees that God is “in creation” in the sense that Romans 1:20 states:
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Now I would not fight tooth and nail to support this as Biblical doctrine, yet in the debates I have read I do see that this type of panentheism may be acceptable. The thing on this I do agree with is the way and definition Richard Abanes used panentheism as not being Biblical.

In the Magick section I disagree a bit on Harry Potter as being connected with Occultism. Now I truly understand the reasons why Richard sees these books as he does and again, would not argue and divide over our disagreement. I do agree to an extent as I would be cautious to let my kids watch the movies or read the books without discussing them with them.

Again, I will emphasize that these are very minor disagreements and I would recommend the book to anyone that needs information on these religions.

Personal message to Richard:

Richard, I was amused at one reference to a certain “evangelist”. As I have gotten to know him I see him on the level of Ken Silva. LOL! But, then even a broken clock is right twice a day so Eric could be right on some things I suppose.

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Book Review: Religions of the Stars by Richard Abanes

July 7, 2009

Book Review: Religions of the Stars by Richard Abanes

I consider it a privilege to review any book. Even more when it is a friend’s book, though with that sometimes comes the trepidation that I may read the book too charitable or not charitable enough.

I have gotten to know Richard Abanes over the last year or so at various websites we both hang out at. He is very insightful and what I would consider being from the old school of Discernment ministries. His lineage as I call does come directly from Walter Martin and Christian Research Institute. Suffice it to say I would recommend him as one of the “good” discernment minstries out there. Richard has authored many books and at times even I would consider him a bit controversial.

To be straight forward, Richard and I do not agree on everything. Yet, unlike many who profess “discernment” I have not found him to be antagonistic toward me at all. Personally I think the disagreements are very minor and truthfully, Richard is the type of person that can agree to disagree on the minor things, yet will fight tooth and nail over the essentials.

Religions of the Stars is a very informative book. It is broken into different sections as to how Hollywood stars believe.

Oprah’s New Spirtuality : This covers the life of Oprah which was very humanizing of her, and then goes into the critique of Oprah’s New Age belief in contrast to the Christian faith.
Mormon in Movieland: This section covers and contrasts Mormonism with Christianity
The Buddha Comes to Tinseltown: This section covers how Buddhism came to Hollywood and contrasts Buddhism with Christianity
Scientolgy: Hollywood’s A-List Religion: This gives a very revealing look at Scientology and is very informative. Again, this section contrasts Scientology with Christianity
Kabbalah a la Madonna: This is also an interesting section as Abanes covers and contrasts not just Christianity but also Judaism/Kabbalahism with the new pop version that Madonna and others follow.
The Magick of Hollywood: This section covers Occultism in Hollywood and again contrasts it with Christianity

Each section is informative, humanizing and easy to read. I learned much about Scientology and the type of Kabbalahism that Madonna is into. Richard Abanes really never goes into sensationalism which would be easy to do in such a book.

Now there are two minor critiques:

I do believe there is a “Christian” panentheism. This type acknowledges that God is separate from creation, yet also sees that God is “in creation” in the sense that Romans 1:20 states:
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Now I would not fight tooth and nail to support this as Biblical doctrine, yet in the debates I have read I do see that this type of panentheism may be acceptable. The thing on this I do agree with is the way and definition Richard Abanes used panentheism as not being Biblical.

In the Magick section I disagree a bit on Harry Potter as being connected with Occultism. Now I truly understand the reasons why Richard sees these books as he does and again, would not argue and divide over our disagreement. I do agree to an extent as I would be cautious to let my kids watch the movies or read the books without discussing them with them.

Again, I will emphasize that these are very minor disagreements and I would recommend the book to anyone that needs information on these religions.

Personal message to Richard:

Richard, I was amused at one reference to a certain “evangelist”. As I have gotten to know him I see him on the level of Ken Silva. LOL! But, then even a broken clock is right twice a day so Eric could be right on some things I suppose.

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Are the "new" Online Discernment Ministries more like the cults?

March 21, 2009

I made an observation a while back in 2007 that some ODM’s seem more cultish and at least may have many of the warning signs of danger. I went against my “rule” to not delete things on this blog and had deleted a few things in the name of peace in hopes some would seek peace also. Yet the post in “sorts” is still available at CRN.info. In a way I meant it as a joke, yet still was shocked to see the list from Cultintervention.com seemed spot on concerning Ken Silva at least.

The observation was that Ken Silva met 9 out of 10 of these warning signs.

Somehow in all this mess I have become friends with Richard Abanes (don’t blame him!) who I see is a very fair and balanced writer when it comes to apologetics. He has a post that I think is a must read and also gives great insight into what I observed in 2007.

I see more an more the ODM are on a dangerous slide into cultism and apostasy… in their zeal to preserve and protect God and His Truth (Which if you think about it is anti-biblical as God and His Truth protect us.) I also recommend Richard’s other post he cites in his post.

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Are the "new" Online Discernment Ministries more like the cults?

March 21, 2009

I made an observation a while back in 2007 that some ODM’s seem more cultish and at least may have many of the warning signs of danger. I went against my “rule” to not delete things on this blog and had deleted a few things in the name of peace in hopes some would seek peace also. Yet the post in “sorts” is still available at CRN.info. In a way I meant it as a joke, yet still was shocked to see the list from Cultintervention.com seemed spot on concerning Ken Silva at least.

The observation was that Ken Silva met 9 out of 10 of these warning signs.

Somehow in all this mess I have become friends with Richard Abanes (don’t blame him!) who I see is a very fair and balanced writer when it comes to apologetics. He has a post that I think is a must read and also gives great insight into what I observed in 2007.

I see more an more the ODM are on a dangerous slide into cultism and apostasy… in their zeal to preserve and protect God and His Truth (Which if you think about it is anti-biblical as God and His Truth protect us.) I also recommend Richard’s other post he cites in his post.

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Shlueter threatens Richard Abanes: Updated

August 27, 2008
Such grace and love… and taking the teaching of Jesus to turn the other cheek in the opposite direct… yes Tom Schleuter threatens Richard Abanes… good grief! Can this get any more asinine?
It seems that if Ingrid and her husband can’t stand the heat, then she need not be in the media talking trash and on her blog calling 14 year old girls “painted girls of Sodom”.
To be in the media is to take the hits… if you dish it out be prepared that someone will find what you say is offensive. This seems to further the hypocrisy that is at Slice and Ingrid’s radio show… she speaks grace, yet when given an opportunity to extend it… threatens legal action!
If this was not so sad it would be funny… and yet, I wonder… is this more about the “truth War” failings? Is this about people finally seeing people like Ingrid for what they really are, self righteous, judgmental, condemning of others?
I see it that people who have a radio voice really must learn to understand that people will not agree with them and will write rebuttals… this is America and we have freedom of speech. Again, since Ingrid is a public figure, and speaks out often and calls people “false teachers” or “heretics” or worse as I already pointed out, she need grow a thicker skin and get control of her anger issues.
She often writes against “clown churches”… when this has become a circus because of Ingrid’s own actions… yet as I notice time and time again, these so-called discernment ministries lack the ability to take responsibilities for their own actions.
I pray for Ingrid and others… in fact in two days I will be holding the second pray for Ken Silva day… and have added Ingrid. Please join me in prayers of blessings for these two that they come to see the Grace, mercy and loving kindness of God… and that they come to reflect our Savior in a renewed way.
Blessings,
iggy
Updated: Aug 27th: Here is an interesting post by Phoenix Preacher which is not “emerging” by far and is very Calvinistic… Ingrid did some research and decided to attack them and call them an emerging blog… their thoughts on this situation are very interesting.
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Shlueter threatens Richard Abanes: Updated

August 27, 2008
Such grace and love… and taking the teaching of Jesus to turn the other cheek in the opposite direct… yes Tom Schleuter threatens Richard Abanes… good grief! Can this get any more asinine?
It seems that if Ingrid and her husband can’t stand the heat, then she need not be in the media talking trash and on her blog calling 14 year old girls “painted girls of Sodom”.
To be in the media is to take the hits… if you dish it out be prepared that someone will find what you say is offensive. This seems to further the hypocrisy that is at Slice and Ingrid’s radio show… she speaks grace, yet when given an opportunity to extend it… threatens legal action!
If this was not so sad it would be funny… and yet, I wonder… is this more about the “truth War” failings? Is this about people finally seeing people like Ingrid for what they really are, self righteous, judgmental, condemning of others?
I see it that people who have a radio voice really must learn to understand that people will not agree with them and will write rebuttals… this is America and we have freedom of speech. Again, since Ingrid is a public figure, and speaks out often and calls people “false teachers” or “heretics” or worse as I already pointed out, she need grow a thicker skin and get control of her anger issues.
She often writes against “clown churches”… when this has become a circus because of Ingrid’s own actions… yet as I notice time and time again, these so-called discernment ministries lack the ability to take responsibilities for their own actions.
I pray for Ingrid and others… in fact in two days I will be holding the second pray for Ken Silva day… and have added Ingrid. Please join me in prayers of blessings for these two that they come to see the Grace, mercy and loving kindness of God… and that they come to reflect our Savior in a renewed way.
Blessings,
iggy
Updated: Aug 27th: Here is an interesting post by Phoenix Preacher which is not “emerging” by far and is very Calvinistic… Ingrid did some research and decided to attack them and call them an emerging blog… their thoughts on this situation are very interesting.
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CRN lies some more… but what’s new?

August 5, 2008
Interesting that Chris Rosebrough sees fit to lie about Richard Abanes again. His claims that Richard has yet to give an answer… is well… a lie. Richard already gave an answer… which seems that Chris Rosebrough sees fit to ignore.
Personally this whole situation has shown me what these ODM’s truly are. I see that they will stop at nothing and use the ways of the world to attack and slander others. They seem to have no shame… nor the ability to extend Grace, Mercy, or the loving Kindness of God. I wonder as I read scripture at the King who forgave a servant a great debt… yet that servant went out and demanded payment from another that owed him money…
Here is that passage.
Matt 18:21-35
21. Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22. Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
23. “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24. As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. 26. “The servant fell on his knees before him. `Be patient with me,’ he begged, `and I will pay back everything.’ 27. The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28. “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him and began to choke him. `Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded. 29. “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, `Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.’ 30. “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt.
31. When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened. 32. “Then the master called the servant in. `You wicked servant,’ he said, `I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34. In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. 35. “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”
This is my fear for these people.
In a recent dialogue with a very prominent figure in all this, they confessed that they had trouble “not hating” me. I believe that is part of their issue. They need to deal with the person in the mirror… and not project their issues on others.
I practice forgiveness daily… I forgive them for making even physical threats against my person as one “pastor” did. I forgive them for judging my salvation which is God’s territory only.
I would not be surprise to receive a letter from a lawyer from one of them. Again, they seem to have no issues with doing as the world does.
This “Truth War” was never about truth…
My heart truly goes out to these people. I pray for them daily asking for God’s best for them and that they be blessed in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
I do not hate them… yet it seems they need to overcome their own hatred for others.
Blessings,
iggy