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Jack Chick… now in animation

May 2, 2008
I was a huge Jack Chick fan years ago, but as I grew I did not see things quite like Jack. This was pointed out by a new friend Michael Krahn. I found it compelling on many different levels. Watch it, read the write up on it then let’s talk!

Talk points.

1. Do you think the polarization of the opposing men is fair?
2. Is the Fatherhood of God brotherhood of man not in the Bible as claimed?
3. Could the presentation have been more balanced?
4. When they are in hell, what do you think of Jack Chick stating it is only “temporary?”
5. Is “judgment” only bad?

Be blessed,
iggy

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Jack Chick… now in animation

May 2, 2008
I was a huge Jack Chick fan years ago, but as I grew I did not see things quite like Jack. This was pointed out by a new friend Michael Krahn. I found it compelling on many different levels. Watch it, read the write up on it then let’s talk!

http://p.castfire.com/Xu7m0/video/11122/bbtv_2008-04-30-014242.flv

Talk points.

1. Do you think the polarization of the opposing men is fair?
2. Is the Fatherhood of God brotherhood of man not in the Bible as claimed?
3. Could the presentation have been more balanced?
4. When they are in hell, what do you think of Jack Chick stating it is only “temporary?”
5. Is “judgment” only bad?

Be blessed,
iggy

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I’m not your critic, don’t even know you.

November 14, 2007
I received this in the comments on my post My last words to my HYPER CRITICS . Originally I posted a comment back but then decided not to… but I have decided to let you the reader read this and post your comments to this person.

Be blessed,
iggy

I’m not your critic, don’t even know you. If your involved in the Vineyard movement, I’ll just consider that you have not come to your right mind.

My question has to do with your introductory comment:

“I find it rather strange how some will demand perfect doctrine from others…”

How do you square that with:

I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another…and

…As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace: 11 whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God…and

…knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation…and

… Do not add to his words,
lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar…and

…I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book….

Though no one can demand you must believe perfect doctrine and hold it, the Scripture does. It does it in this way. That which is opinion is not truth. Only that which can be established as true is to be taught. That is what Paul and Peter, Solomon and Jesus were saying: Do not go beyond what is written. Simply, and profound. The rule is this, if you do not know it to be the truth and the only truth, keep your mouth shut, or as Proverbs would say: Even a fool is counted wise when he remains silent, or a fool does not wait to hear the end of a matter before speaking. There are sound words to learn and if there are not, then we have no Bible, even a poorly translated one to refer to.

I will leave you with this:
Teach and urge these things. If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain…So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter…I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them…charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine…If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed…Command and teach these things. Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity. Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching. Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you. Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress. Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers…

The fact is iggy, the Word of God, that is Jesus Himself (ref Revelation) commands us to hold perfect doctrine. It is a simple thing, as I said. Stay within the bounds of what you know. To do more or less is to condemn yourself: “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit. You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

To put it in the language of the emergent, get your pompous head out of your posterior cavity and come into the light…

Sorry for the crudeness, but these are straight forward statements of Scripture all agreeing with one another, simple enough that even a child can understand them. I have simple words for my children: The world is not pink, your head is not your butt, and don’t piss on a flat rock. Crude but effective with children and all Biblical, in a weird sort of way. I would not preach it that way except to my kids. They understand it though.

One last thing: What do you have that you did not receive?

Posted by lordodamanor 11/14/2007 12:06:00 AM

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I’m not your critic, don’t even know you.

November 14, 2007
I received this in the comments on my post My last words to my HYPER CRITICS . Originally I posted a comment back but then decided not to… but I have decided to let you the reader read this and post your comments to this person.

Be blessed,
iggy

I’m not your critic, don’t even know you. If your involved in the Vineyard movement, I’ll just consider that you have not come to your right mind.

My question has to do with your introductory comment:

“I find it rather strange how some will demand perfect doctrine from others…”

How do you square that with:

I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another…and

…As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace: 11 whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God…and

…knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation…and

… Do not add to his words,
lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar…and

…I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book….

Though no one can demand you must believe perfect doctrine and hold it, the Scripture does. It does it in this way. That which is opinion is not truth. Only that which can be established as true is to be taught. That is what Paul and Peter, Solomon and Jesus were saying: Do not go beyond what is written. Simply, and profound. The rule is this, if you do not know it to be the truth and the only truth, keep your mouth shut, or as Proverbs would say: Even a fool is counted wise when he remains silent, or a fool does not wait to hear the end of a matter before speaking. There are sound words to learn and if there are not, then we have no Bible, even a poorly translated one to refer to.

I will leave you with this:
Teach and urge these things. If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain…So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter…I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them…charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine…If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed…Command and teach these things. Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity. Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching. Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you. Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress. Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers…

The fact is iggy, the Word of God, that is Jesus Himself (ref Revelation) commands us to hold perfect doctrine. It is a simple thing, as I said. Stay within the bounds of what you know. To do more or less is to condemn yourself: “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit. You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

To put it in the language of the emergent, get your pompous head out of your posterior cavity and come into the light…

Sorry for the crudeness, but these are straight forward statements of Scripture all agreeing with one another, simple enough that even a child can understand them. I have simple words for my children: The world is not pink, your head is not your butt, and don’t piss on a flat rock. Crude but effective with children and all Biblical, in a weird sort of way. I would not preach it that way except to my kids. They understand it though.

One last thing: What do you have that you did not receive?

Posted by lordodamanor 11/14/2007 12:06:00 AM

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MacArthurite Values… Modernity double speak

August 28, 2007

I found this one poster the first and maybe the only poster that was remotely close… Personally I see that we all still use the “tools” of modernity as well as “post-modernity” yet the values of both are not “Christian”. In fact as I learned that in the emerging church from other emerging Christians! We do not believe in “post-modernity” as THE answer.

Yet, the hypocrisy becomes clearly evident from Phil Johnson and Crew who developed these posters. These men are also apologist fro John MacArthur so this double speaking hypocrisy does not surprise me at all considering the source.

Here is a quote from Phil Johnson as he once promoted an pro Spurgeon/anti modernity stance in contrast to this poster that seemingly pokes fun at “emergents” but reveals that they are FOR MODERNITY! LOL!

“Even if I lived well into my eighties, I could probably
post Spurgeon excerpts twice a week from now until I die and still not run out of material where Spurgeon was declaring his contempt for modernism. All of it would demonstrate conclusively that the various paradigm-shifts convulsing the evangelical movement today are nothing but recycled versions of the same old errors that were being foisted on church leaders by so-called
“advanced thinkers” in the Victorian era. That movement ultimately grew stronger despite the opposition of Spurgeon and others like him. Modernism finally commandeered most of the mainstream denominations, then quickly piloted them to their demise.” ~ Phil Johnson (source 2)

Here is a quote from Spurgeon against modernity:

“The school of modern thought laughs at the ridiculous positiveness of Reformers and Puritans; it is advancing in glorious liberality, and before long will publish a grand alliance between heaven and hell, or, rather, an amalgamation of the two establishments upon terms of mutual concession, allowing falsehood and truth to lie side by side, like the lion with the lamb.” ~ Spurgeon ( Source 2)

Note the source is still Phil Johnson’s now pro modernity blog?

Here is another quote against modernity from Pyromaniac’s Phil Johnson:

“It’s hard not to notice that Spurgeon was on the same side of all these issues—and he was saying exactly the same kinds of things—as those who are most troubled about the drift today. There’s little question that Spurgeon would have appreciated and sympathized with “Slice of Laodicea”; he would have been scoffed at and derided as an intolerant “TR” (“Truly Reformed”) by certain small-minded critics who apparently cannot imagine a more scathing insult; and he would have been mocked and dismissed by more “enlightened” minds who (in the name of
catholicity) reject and exclude every person who raises any biblical concern about the direction they want to go.”
~ Phil Johnson

Again, with this poster Phil seems to have flipped flopped his position like Al Gore when he began to run with Bill Clinton, to now say by this poster that:

“Modernity now is alive and is a good thing because emergents are against it.”

(*Phil never stated that other than what is implied by this poster.)

I wanted to thank CRNinfo for bringing this to my attention.

Source 1: Looks like the Spurgeon-followers finally got one right
Source 2: Pyromaniacs
Source 3: More Signs of the Times

Blessings,
iggy

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MacArthurite Values… Modernity double speak

August 28, 2007

I found this one poster the first and maybe the only poster that was remotely close… Personally I see that we all still use the “tools” of modernity as well as “post-modernity” yet the values of both are not “Christian”. In fact as I learned that in the emerging church from other emerging Christians! We do not believe in “post-modernity” as THE answer.

Yet, the hypocrisy becomes clearly evident from Phil Johnson and Crew who developed these posters. These men are also apologist fro John MacArthur so this double speaking hypocrisy does not surprise me at all considering the source.

Here is a quote from Phil Johnson as he once promoted an pro Spurgeon/anti modernity stance in contrast to this poster that seemingly pokes fun at “emergents” but reveals that they are FOR MODERNITY! LOL!

“Even if I lived well into my eighties, I could probably
post Spurgeon excerpts twice a week from now until I die and still not run out of material where Spurgeon was declaring his contempt for modernism. All of it would demonstrate conclusively that the various paradigm-shifts convulsing the evangelical movement today are nothing but recycled versions of the same old errors that were being foisted on church leaders by so-called
“advanced thinkers” in the Victorian era. That movement ultimately grew stronger despite the opposition of Spurgeon and others like him. Modernism finally commandeered most of the mainstream denominations, then quickly piloted them to their demise.” ~ Phil Johnson (source 2)

Here is a quote from Spurgeon against modernity:

“The school of modern thought laughs at the ridiculous positiveness of Reformers and Puritans; it is advancing in glorious liberality, and before long will publish a grand alliance between heaven and hell, or, rather, an amalgamation of the two establishments upon terms of mutual concession, allowing falsehood and truth to lie side by side, like the lion with the lamb.” ~ Spurgeon ( Source 2)

Note the source is still Phil Johnson’s now pro modernity blog?

Here is another quote against modernity from Pyromaniac’s Phil Johnson:

“It’s hard not to notice that Spurgeon was on the same side of all these issues—and he was saying exactly the same kinds of things—as those who are most troubled about the drift today. There’s little question that Spurgeon would have appreciated and sympathized with “Slice of Laodicea”; he would have been scoffed at and derided as an intolerant “TR” (“Truly Reformed”) by certain small-minded critics who apparently cannot imagine a more scathing insult; and he would have been mocked and dismissed by more “enlightened” minds who (in the name of
catholicity) reject and exclude every person who raises any biblical concern about the direction they want to go.”
~ Phil Johnson

Again, with this poster Phil seems to have flipped flopped his position like Al Gore when he began to run with Bill Clinton, to now say by this poster that:

“Modernity now is alive and is a good thing because emergents are against it.”

(*Phil never stated that other than what is implied by this poster.)

I wanted to thank CRNinfo for bringing this to my attention.

Source 1: Looks like the Spurgeon-followers finally got one right
Source 2: Pyromaniacs
Source 3: More Signs of the Times

Blessings,
iggy