Spurgeon would have been an "emergent".

Spurgeon would have been an “emergent”. ; )

“We admire a man who was firm in the faith, say four hundred years ago…but such a man today is a nuisance, and must be put down…Yet imagine in those ages past, Luther, Zwingle, Calvin, and their compeers had said, ‘The world is out of order; but if we try to set it right we shall only make a great row, and get ourselves into disgrace. Let us go to our chambers, put on our night-caps, and sleep over the bad times, and perhaps when we wake up things will have grown better.’ Such conduct on their part would have entailed upon us a heritage of error. Age after age would have gone down into the infernal deeps, and the pestiferous bogs of error would have swallowed all. These men loved the faith and the name of Jesus too well to see them trampled on.

“It is today as it was in the Reformers days. Decision is needed. Here is the day for the man, where is the man for the day? we who have had the gospel passed to us by martyr hands dare not triffle with it, nor sit by and hear it denied by traitors, who pretend to love it, but inwardly abhor every line of it…Look you sirs, there are ages yet to come. If the Lord does not speedily appear, there will come another generation, and another, and all these generations will be tainted and injured if we are not faithful to God and to His truth today. We have come to a turning point in the road. If we turn to the right mayhap our children and our children’s children will go that way; but if we turn to the left, generations yet unborn will curse our names for having been unfaithful to God and to His Word.”C.H.S., Sermons, 1888, 83-84

It seems that the idea that the Reformation is not done was held by one of the greatest Calvinist himself.

(Update May 13, 2007: I noticed a bit of traffic to this post and wanted to point out that in case anyone missed it, this is posted under “fun” “humor”, and “satire”… which makes me really wonder at the mean and nasty comments I received on it… It does though seem to point out as I stated that Spurgeon viewed that reformed theology was not “finished” but was still in process which is what many of the emerging conversation still believe. Yet, even with Spurgeon saying this, and emerging person agreeing, we are still deemed wrong about it. I will not state the obvious on that other than if someones view does not fit certain peoples views and theology they do seem to get mean and nasty… while I think the scripture is clear to bear with patience those who we see need to grow more in their faith… in that I will stand here and bear with patience those who seem to have no humor, and are more out to prove their self right is more right than mine. Theirs is a one-sided argument as I stand with Luther’s quote:

“I shall never be a heretic; I may err in dispute, but I do not wish to decide anything finally; on the other hand, I am not bound by the opinions of men. “

Though I am not a Calvinist nor Baptist, I could easily exchange “emergent/Vineyard” or any other label I may hold; so I to hold to the spirit of this Spurgeon quote:

“I AM NEVER ASHAMED TO AVOW MYSELF A CALVINIST; I DO NOT HESITATE TO TAKE THE NAME OF BAPTIST; BUT IF I AM ASKED WHAT IS MY CREED, I REPLY —
“IT IS JESUS CHRIST.”

I stand first and foremost on Jesus Christ. In that I stand on the side of Peace.)

Spurgeon would have been an "emergent".

Spurgeon would have been an “emergent”. ; )

“We admire a man who was firm in the faith, say four hundred years ago…but such a man today is a nuisance, and must be put down…Yet imagine in those ages past, Luther, Zwingle, Calvin, and their compeers had said, ‘The world is out of order; but if we try to set it right we shall only make a great row, and get ourselves into disgrace. Let us go to our chambers, put on our night-caps, and sleep over the bad times, and perhaps when we wake up things will have grown better.’ Such conduct on their part would have entailed upon us a heritage of error. Age after age would have gone down into the infernal deeps, and the pestiferous bogs of error would have swallowed all. These men loved the faith and the name of Jesus too well to see them trampled on.

“It is today as it was in the Reformers days. Decision is needed. Here is the day for the man, where is the man for the day? we who have had the gospel passed to us by martyr hands dare not triffle with it, nor sit by and hear it denied by traitors, who pretend to love it, but inwardly abhor every line of it…Look you sirs, there are ages yet to come. If the Lord does not speedily appear, there will come another generation, and another, and all these generations will be tainted and injured if we are not faithful to God and to His truth today. We have come to a turning point in the road. If we turn to the right mayhap our children and our children’s children will go that way; but if we turn to the left, generations yet unborn will curse our names for having been unfaithful to God and to His Word.”C.H.S., Sermons, 1888, 83-84

It seems that the idea that the Reformation is not done was held by one of the greatest Calvinist himself.

(Update May 13, 2007: I noticed a bit of traffic to this post and wanted to point out that in case anyone missed it, this is posted under “fun” “humor”, and “satire”… which makes me really wonder at the mean and nasty comments I received on it… It does though seem to point out as I stated that Spurgeon viewed that reformed theology was not “finished” but was still in process which is what many of the emerging conversation still believe. Yet, even with Spurgeon saying this, and emerging person agreeing, we are still deemed wrong about it. I will not state the obvious on that other than if someones view does not fit certain peoples views and theology they do seem to get mean and nasty… while I think the scripture is clear to bear with patience those who we see need to grow more in their faith… in that I will stand here and bear with patience those who seem to have no humor, and are more out to prove their self right is more right than mine. Theirs is a one-sided argument as I stand with Luther’s quote:

“I shall never be a heretic; I may err in dispute, but I do not wish to decide anything finally; on the other hand, I am not bound by the opinions of men. “

Though I am not a Calvinist nor Baptist, I could easily exchange “emergent/Vineyard” or any other label I may hold; so I to hold to the spirit of this Spurgeon quote:

“I AM NEVER ASHAMED TO AVOW MYSELF A CALVINIST; I DO NOT HESITATE TO TAKE THE NAME OF BAPTIST; BUT IF I AM ASKED WHAT IS MY CREED, I REPLY —
“IT IS JESUS CHRIST.”

I stand first and foremost on Jesus Christ. In that I stand on the side of Peace.)

Modernistic fighting over Objective Truth is Unbiblical

Modernistic fighting over Objective Truth is Unbiblical

First off, I am not saying we cannot use the “tools” of modernism or postmodernism… yet there seems to be this misunderstanding in Christianity about certain “terms” that have been infused into “Christian” theology.

One of the terms you will not see in the Bible is objective/subjective in regards to truth. Search every passage on truth and it is not there.

So where did this idea come from…

It was not Moses or Jesus, or even Paul, but rather it was Plato! This same Plato that Irenaeus wrote extensively against as teaching heresy…

Plato’s realism taught that truth was only an abstraction… Plato believed that “ideas” were more real than real things. Plato created a vision of two worlds… or what is called “Dualism”. In these two worlds one was of “unchanging ideas” while the other was of changing physical objects.

Again, Plato was teaching a form of Gnosticism… this is the same idea that is taught today by many of the modern church… they are teaching Gnosticism without even realizing it!

The first usage of the phrase “objective truth” was used by German mathematician Gottlob Frege as he was writing against Immanuel Kant. Again, notice that the phrase was not used until the early nineteenth century and by “philosophers”.

The idea again of “objective truth” is the view that there is a reality or realm of objects and facts existing outside and independent of the mind.

Now, there is some use to these terms, yet if one seems to think that by using them they are “more” biblical than someone else… beware.

So what does the Bible say about “Truth”?

It states pretty plainly that Truth is the Person of Jesus Christ.

In that Jesus is a Person… more He is Person within the Godhead.… it is a bit strange that one would fight to objectionize truth… for it is in fact objectionizing God… God is not an “object” like a rock or tree… He is a Person… relatable and wanting to reveal Who He is to those who seek after Him… To turn truth into an object removes the Biblical teaching the God is Living…

We are called to abide or dwell in Christ Jesus… Jesus was full of Grace an Truth… so as we dwell in Christ we are dwelling in His Grace and Truth. We are told also that Jesus is “The Way, The Truth, and the Life”.
So, do not get caught up in vain man made philosophies that though may be helpful in trying grapple in our understanding of Spiritual things, yet must be understood that often they are not “biblical” at their root.

Blessings,
iggy

Modernistic fighting over Objective Truth is Unbiblical

Modernistic fighting over Objective Truth is Unbiblical

First off, I am not saying we cannot use the “tools” of modernism or postmodernism… yet there seems to be this misunderstanding in Christianity about certain “terms” that have been infused into “Christian” theology.

One of the terms you will not see in the Bible is objective/subjective in regards to truth. Search every passage on truth and it is not there.

So where did this idea come from…

It was not Moses or Jesus, or even Paul, but rather it was Plato! This same Plato that Irenaeus wrote extensively against as teaching heresy…

Plato’s realism taught that truth was only an abstraction… Plato believed that “ideas” were more real than real things. Plato created a vision of two worlds… or what is called “Dualism”. In these two worlds one was of “unchanging ideas” while the other was of changing physical objects.

Again, Plato was teaching a form of Gnosticism… this is the same idea that is taught today by many of the modern church… they are teaching Gnosticism without even realizing it!

The first usage of the phrase “objective truth” was used by German mathematician Gottlob Frege as he was writing against Immanuel Kant. Again, notice that the phrase was not used until the early nineteenth century and by “philosophers”.

The idea again of “objective truth” is the view that there is a reality or realm of objects and facts existing outside and independent of the mind.

Now, there is some use to these terms, yet if one seems to think that by using them they are “more” biblical than someone else… beware.

So what does the Bible say about “Truth”?

It states pretty plainly that Truth is the Person of Jesus Christ.

In that Jesus is a Person… more He is Person within the Godhead.… it is a bit strange that one would fight to objectionize truth… for it is in fact objectionizing God… God is not an “object” like a rock or tree… He is a Person… relatable and wanting to reveal Who He is to those who seek after Him… To turn truth into an object removes the Biblical teaching the God is Living…

We are called to abide or dwell in Christ Jesus… Jesus was full of Grace an Truth… so as we dwell in Christ we are dwelling in His Grace and Truth. We are told also that Jesus is “The Way, The Truth, and the Life”.
So, do not get caught up in vain man made philosophies that though may be helpful in trying grapple in our understanding of Spiritual things, yet must be understood that often they are not “biblical” at their root.

Blessings,
iggy

Walking Through Romans: pt1 chapter 1: 1-7

Walking through Romans: pt1

Romans 1 (New King James Version)

Greeting
1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

First off I want to say I have looked for a Bible version that was easy to read, and familiar. I prefer NKJV yet do believe there are many other great versions… some have their weakness in one area, and weaknesses in others.

Paul the Apostle had most probably never known Jesus before His death and resurrection. Yet, through an incredible story, Paul who had been on a mission to destroy this new sect called the “Christians” met Jesus in a vision. All this is recorded in the Book of Acts.

Paul is the most prolific writer of the New Testament and to him we owe much as far as to the deeper life we have in Christ Jesus. Romans was really a letter of introduction of Paul to the believers in Rome… There were both Jew and Gentile believers in Rome and history sets them as not getting along that well at all. The Jewish believers saw that they had been chosen by God, and given the Law, and also through them the Messiah had come, so the natural assumption would be that those who came to Christ would also become Jewish converts. In a sense we are about to look into a time in history that division was in the Church as Jew was against Gentiles who had come to the Lord by Grace through faith.

Paul is on his third missionary journey and this is an appeal for money to be able to good onto Spain. (Romans 15: 33)

The most astonishing thing is that in these very first few verses, Paul is standing against the Cult of Caesar. Paul invokes the prophets of Scripture as a way to point to Jesus’ authority to the Jews in Rome, and then to the Seed of David as to Jesus’ earthly Kingship. Paul in one sentence hits two nails and set the tone for the letter. In the very next verse Paul tells all that the final trump card is played… Jesus was raised from the dead… to that there had been no person let alone any earthly king who have died and risen from the grave… in that Paul begins the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Paul pushes the point by using the proclamation made by the Caesar’s themselves… “Through Him we have received grace” then once again goes over the head of all Caesars… “apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;”

With that statement Caesar is no longer lord… for Paul has just proclaimed Jesus as the One Whom grace comes to Rome and that empire is one of the nations called of Jesus for Himself.

Paul then opens with his greetings to his brothers, both Jew and Gentile in Rome…

“To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Yes, Jesus is Lord… even in Rome, the center of Caesar worship… in the hot seat of the Beast, Jesus is still Lord of all.

Blessings,
iggy

Walking Through Romans: pt1 chapter 1: 1-7

Walking through Romans: pt1

Romans 1 (New King James Version)

Greeting
1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

First off I want to say I have looked for a Bible version that was easy to read, and familiar. I prefer NKJV yet do believe there are many other great versions… some have their weakness in one area, and weaknesses in others.

Paul the Apostle had most probably never known Jesus before His death and resurrection. Yet, through an incredible story, Paul who had been on a mission to destroy this new sect called the “Christians” met Jesus in a vision. All this is recorded in the Book of Acts.

Paul is the most prolific writer of the New Testament and to him we owe much as far as to the deeper life we have in Christ Jesus. Romans was really a letter of introduction of Paul to the believers in Rome… There were both Jew and Gentile believers in Rome and history sets them as not getting along that well at all. The Jewish believers saw that they had been chosen by God, and given the Law, and also through them the Messiah had come, so the natural assumption would be that those who came to Christ would also become Jewish converts. In a sense we are about to look into a time in history that division was in the Church as Jew was against Gentiles who had come to the Lord by Grace through faith.

Paul is on his third missionary journey and this is an appeal for money to be able to good onto Spain. (Romans 15: 33)

The most astonishing thing is that in these very first few verses, Paul is standing against the Cult of Caesar. Paul invokes the prophets of Scripture as a way to point to Jesus’ authority to the Jews in Rome, and then to the Seed of David as to Jesus’ earthly Kingship. Paul in one sentence hits two nails and set the tone for the letter. In the very next verse Paul tells all that the final trump card is played… Jesus was raised from the dead… to that there had been no person let alone any earthly king who have died and risen from the grave… in that Paul begins the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Paul pushes the point by using the proclamation made by the Caesar’s themselves… “Through Him we have received grace” then once again goes over the head of all Caesars… “apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;”

With that statement Caesar is no longer lord… for Paul has just proclaimed Jesus as the One Whom grace comes to Rome and that empire is one of the nations called of Jesus for Himself.

Paul then opens with his greetings to his brothers, both Jew and Gentile in Rome…

“To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Yes, Jesus is Lord… even in Rome, the center of Caesar worship… in the hot seat of the Beast, Jesus is still Lord of all.

Blessings,
iggy

The Jewish Dog

This was shared with me by a friend who is a Messianic Jew… strange term that is… for the miricle is really that there are Messianic Gentiles…

enjoy!

Shalom,
iggy

Shalom,

Hymie walks into his synagogue with a dog. The shammas immediately comes up to him and says, “This is a House of Worship, Hymie, you know you can’t bring a dog in here.”

“What do you mean I can’t?” says Hymie, “Look at him, he’s a Jewish dog.”

The shammas then notices that the dog has a tallis bag round its neck.

Hymie then says to the dog, “Benjamin, daven for me.”

The dog stands on his back legs and says, “Woof woof, woof,” then opens the tallis bag, takes out a kippa and puts it on his head, exactly in between its ears.

“Woof, woof,” says the dog who then pulls out a tallis and puts it round his neck.

“Woof, woof, woof,” says the dog who then takes out a siddur and starts to pray, rocking from side to side.

“That’s brilliant,” says the shammas, “totally incredible. You must get him on TV and the movies and you could make millions.”

“You speak to him then,” says Hymie, “he wants to be a doctor.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GLOSSARY OF TERMS: in order as used.
Shammas: (n) (Yiddish – language of the European Jew) Servant of the synagogue; sexton; chief
concierge.
Tallis: (n) (Yiddish) A prayer shawl.
Daven: (v) (Yiddish) To pray, esp. from a Siddur or prescribed prayers from a prayerbook.
Kippa: (n) (Yiddish) A small head covering (kippah); yarmulke.
Siddur: (n) A prayerbook containing the key Hebrew prayers for synagogue service.

This Jewish Dog is a stereotypical type of both the OT and NT church. They have been taught to do all of the “right things”, they have been taught to talk the talk but it has not changed the reality of who they are. They are impressive to men but they are still not right with YHVH.

Pastor Eric
Tree of Life Ministries

The Jewish Dog

This was shared with me by a friend who is a Messianic Jew… strange term that is… for the miricle is really that there are Messianic Gentiles…

enjoy!

Shalom,
iggy

Shalom,

Hymie walks into his synagogue with a dog. The shammas immediately comes up to him and says, “This is a House of Worship, Hymie, you know you can’t bring a dog in here.”

“What do you mean I can’t?” says Hymie, “Look at him, he’s a Jewish dog.”

The shammas then notices that the dog has a tallis bag round its neck.

Hymie then says to the dog, “Benjamin, daven for me.”

The dog stands on his back legs and says, “Woof woof, woof,” then opens the tallis bag, takes out a kippa and puts it on his head, exactly in between its ears.

“Woof, woof,” says the dog who then pulls out a tallis and puts it round his neck.

“Woof, woof, woof,” says the dog who then takes out a siddur and starts to pray, rocking from side to side.

“That’s brilliant,” says the shammas, “totally incredible. You must get him on TV and the movies and you could make millions.”

“You speak to him then,” says Hymie, “he wants to be a doctor.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GLOSSARY OF TERMS: in order as used.
Shammas: (n) (Yiddish – language of the European Jew) Servant of the synagogue; sexton; chief
concierge.
Tallis: (n) (Yiddish) A prayer shawl.
Daven: (v) (Yiddish) To pray, esp. from a Siddur or prescribed prayers from a prayerbook.
Kippa: (n) (Yiddish) A small head covering (kippah); yarmulke.
Siddur: (n) A prayerbook containing the key Hebrew prayers for synagogue service.

This Jewish Dog is a stereotypical type of both the OT and NT church. They have been taught to do all of the “right things”, they have been taught to talk the talk but it has not changed the reality of who they are. They are impressive to men but they are still not right with YHVH.

Pastor Eric
Tree of Life Ministries

Christian Research Network Endorses Mike Warnke and Lauren Stratford.

Christian Research Network Endorses Mike Warnke and Lauren Stratford.

Dwyana Litz is on record of stating that she believes those who did the expose’ on Mike Warnke and Lauren Stratford are liars and a Satanic front.

Cornerstone magazine did a report in 1991 that exposed Mike Warnke and Lauren Stratford as frauds, here is the story.

Dwyana Litz has openly attacked Jesus People USA and has now called John Trott a liar… John gives his rebuttal here.

Here is a bit from Wikipedia as far as the facts.

“Investigation, debunking and disgrace
In 1991, Cornerstone magazine launched an investigation into Warnke’s life and testimony. The previous year, that magazine had debunked the story recounted in Satan’s Underground, by Lauren Stratford who claimed her deep involvement in Satanism led her to partake in a ritual in which her own child was sacrificed. After this exposé, which showed that for instance, Stratford’s alleged child never existed, Cornerstone journalists Mike Hertenstein and Jon Trott investigated Warnke. They investigated Warnke’s life, from interviews with over 100 personal friends and acquaintances, to his ministry’s tax receipts. Their investigation turned up damaging evidence of fraud and deceipt.

The investigation revealed pictures of Warnke taken during the precise time of his alleged status as a Satanist priest. Instead of an emaciated drug-addict sporting long fingernails and waist-length hair, the pictures showed Warnke to be a typical ‘square’ of the mid-1960s.[citation needed] The investigation refuted, for instance, Warnke’s claims that mass-murderer he and Charles Manson had attended a Satanic ritual — Manson was in federal prison at the time. It also uncovered that before even joining the Navy, where Warnke claims to have converted, he had been involved with a college Christian ministry, Campus Crusade for Christ. The investigation also revealed the unflattering circumstances surrounding Warnke’s multiple marriages, affairs, and divorces. Most critically, however, the investigation showed how Warnke could not possibly have done the many things he claimed to have done throughout his nine-month tenure as a Satanist, much less become a drug-addicted dealer or become a Satanic high preist.[7]

Before publishing the article, Cornerstone contacted Warnke for an interview, but Warnke claimed that he and Cornerstone could not agree to the terms of an interview.[8] In June 1992, at the annual Christian Booksellers’ Association convention, Cornerstone revealed its story. “

Mike never really apologized and as you read in the links on John Trott’s site it seems he is just upset he was caught.

I am growing ever more concerned at the Christian Research Network as they seem loose with facts as with the recent Beth Moore innuendo that she is an apostate because of how much she charges.

Be aware that these people are not discerning at all. In fact it seems the more accountable we cry out for them to be the nastier and snide and mocking they get. Ken Silva seems to think he is above reproach. It should be a warning sign as Satan appears as an angel of light and his messengers agents of righteousness.

I have tried to contact at least three of the contributors and have dialoged with them… yet though they seem more open in the emails, they seem to return to the view that it is a righteous thing to slander and lie and do damage to their bothers in Christ.

Walter Martin held much more charity towards Mormons than Ken Silva and the gossip crew does at CRN with whom they have doctrinal disagreements with.

Blessings,
iggy

Christian Research Network Endorses Mike Warnke and Lauren Stratford.

Christian Research Network Endorses Mike Warnke and Lauren Stratford.

Dwyana Litz is on record of stating that she believes those who did the expose’ on Mike Warnke and Lauren Stratford are liars and a Satanic front.

Cornerstone magazine did a report in 1991 that exposed Mike Warnke and Lauren Stratford as frauds, here is the story.

Dwyana Litz has openly attacked Jesus People USA and has now called John Trott a liar… John gives his rebuttal here.

Here is a bit from Wikipedia as far as the facts.

“Investigation, debunking and disgrace
In 1991, Cornerstone magazine launched an investigation into Warnke’s life and testimony. The previous year, that magazine had debunked the story recounted in Satan’s Underground, by Lauren Stratford who claimed her deep involvement in Satanism led her to partake in a ritual in which her own child was sacrificed. After this exposé, which showed that for instance, Stratford’s alleged child never existed, Cornerstone journalists Mike Hertenstein and Jon Trott investigated Warnke. They investigated Warnke’s life, from interviews with over 100 personal friends and acquaintances, to his ministry’s tax receipts. Their investigation turned up damaging evidence of fraud and deceipt.

The investigation revealed pictures of Warnke taken during the precise time of his alleged status as a Satanist priest. Instead of an emaciated drug-addict sporting long fingernails and waist-length hair, the pictures showed Warnke to be a typical ‘square’ of the mid-1960s.[citation needed] The investigation refuted, for instance, Warnke’s claims that mass-murderer he and Charles Manson had attended a Satanic ritual — Manson was in federal prison at the time. It also uncovered that before even joining the Navy, where Warnke claims to have converted, he had been involved with a college Christian ministry, Campus Crusade for Christ. The investigation also revealed the unflattering circumstances surrounding Warnke’s multiple marriages, affairs, and divorces. Most critically, however, the investigation showed how Warnke could not possibly have done the many things he claimed to have done throughout his nine-month tenure as a Satanist, much less become a drug-addicted dealer or become a Satanic high preist.[7]

Before publishing the article, Cornerstone contacted Warnke for an interview, but Warnke claimed that he and Cornerstone could not agree to the terms of an interview.[8] In June 1992, at the annual Christian Booksellers’ Association convention, Cornerstone revealed its story. “

Mike never really apologized and as you read in the links on John Trott’s site it seems he is just upset he was caught.

I am growing ever more concerned at the Christian Research Network as they seem loose with facts as with the recent Beth Moore innuendo that she is an apostate because of how much she charges.

Be aware that these people are not discerning at all. In fact it seems the more accountable we cry out for them to be the nastier and snide and mocking they get. Ken Silva seems to think he is above reproach. It should be a warning sign as Satan appears as an angel of light and his messengers agents of righteousness.

I have tried to contact at least three of the contributors and have dialoged with them… yet though they seem more open in the emails, they seem to return to the view that it is a righteous thing to slander and lie and do damage to their bothers in Christ.

Walter Martin held much more charity towards Mormons than Ken Silva and the gossip crew does at CRN with whom they have doctrinal disagreements with.

Blessings,
iggy