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Great quote! G.K. Chesterton

April 16, 2007

“If there were no God, there would be no atheists.” G.K. Chesterton

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Great Quote ~ John Wesely

April 14, 2007

Are you persuaded you see more clearly than me? It is not unlikely that you may. Then treat me as you would desire to be treated yourself upon a change of circumstances. Point me out a better way than I have yet known. Show me it is so, by plain proof of Scripture. And if I linger in the path I have been accustomed to tread, and am therefore unwilling to leave it, labour with me a little; take me by the hand, and lead me as I am able to bear. But be not displeased if I entreat you not to beat me down in order to quicken my pace: I can go but feebly and slowly at best; then, I should not be able to go at all. ~ John Wesley

Be Blessed!
iggy

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Great Quote ~ John Wesely

April 14, 2007

Are you persuaded you see more clearly than me? It is not unlikely that you may. Then treat me as you would desire to be treated yourself upon a change of circumstances. Point me out a better way than I have yet known. Show me it is so, by plain proof of Scripture. And if I linger in the path I have been accustomed to tread, and am therefore unwilling to leave it, labour with me a little; take me by the hand, and lead me as I am able to bear. But be not displeased if I entreat you not to beat me down in order to quicken my pace: I can go but feebly and slowly at best; then, I should not be able to go at all. ~ John Wesley

Be Blessed!
iggy

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Jason Clark:There’s No Such Thing as Christian Ethics

April 11, 2007

Jason Clark points out that “There’s No Such Thing as Christian Ethics.”

Now don’t get you undies in a bunch… take a listen first. The idea is that there should not be a separation between “being a Christian” and “being ethical”. That to think one can “add on” to their faith “taking care of the poor, social justice or being good stewards of this planet” as if these are just options.

blessings,
iggy

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Jason Clark:There’s No Such Thing as Christian Ethics

April 11, 2007

Jason Clark points out that “There’s No Such Thing as Christian Ethics.”

Now don’t get you undies in a bunch… take a listen first. The idea is that there should not be a separation between “being a Christian” and “being ethical”. That to think one can “add on” to their faith “taking care of the poor, social justice or being good stewards of this planet” as if these are just options.

blessings,
iggy

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Falling on Deaf ears… Or is it Deft Ears? (Confrontation with Truth?)

January 19, 2007
Falling on Deaf ears… Or is it Deft Ears?

Have you notice that it is a bit funny that when someone criticizes another, and they are told by the person criticized, “that was not very loving.” The response is always something to the order of, “If I hadn’t told you it would be less loving.”

Now, that is true, to a point, yet the issue is not often in the criticism itself, but in the manner it is delivered. The delivery itself should be done in a loving manner… with humility fully on your sleeves.

So often one accuses another of lack of discernment, or lack of judgment… and often that may be the case… yet most over look that the most important part of discernment and “judging” (used in the reference of “seeing if something is true or not”) is in how to approach the person so that they will receive the admonishment. I have at times even had someone come to admonish me and as we sat down and really talked about it, some of it was their perception of the situation that was down without having all the facts…. of course to some fact do not matter so even if presented, they will turn a deaf ear to you… and harden their hearts against you as they criticize you… this only leads to judgmentalism and condemnation. In that God gets absolutely no glory out of the situation… I have even found that sometimes the one “rebuking me” is answered by the Lord through me and is broken of a sin that is in their own life… funny that this happens to me quite a bit. Yet, most often it is something that I should hear and often must consider… even the things from harsher critics.

Part of the calling we all have as ministers of the Gospel… (Lay and professional) is the ministry of reconciliation. This means that to who disagree are brought together and the thing that split them is laid aside and their focus is on Jesus. The Bible teaches this as it says”Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”

This is one of the most misused scriptures I have heard, outside of the clear admonishment NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS… (Updated: Used here to judge their salvation and condemn them or to judge others by your own self righteousness)

When we disagree even then we are to approach each other in a way that will glorify God.

The Internet is a strange and wonderful thing… it has truly sick ungodly things and thing that are truly inspired by God on High… Discernment is a really great thing to have.
So how does one get discernment?

The dictionary definition of “discern” is:
1 a : to detect with the eyes b : to detect with senses other than vision
2 : to recognize or identify as separate and distinct : DISCRIMINATE

3 : to come to know or recognize mentally intransitive verb : to see or understand the difference
Remember though this is the “worlds” definition of discern and it misses a very fine but pointed difference from the bibles definition…(which, BTW is discernment happening right here as you read.)

In the Song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32: 28-29 Moses says something that should lead one to a more biblical understanding of discernment. In the passage Moses is reflecting on the Egyptians lack of seeing Who God is…

They are a nation without sense,

there is no discernment in them.
If only they were wise and would understand this
and discern what their end will be!

Notice as if it is needed as part of discernment is “wisdom” or “If only they were wise”. Wisdom is the major component in discernment…

On definition I picked up about discernment is “wisdom and knowledge tempered with love”. It is the seeking out to the best for the other and not just pointing out the worst.

So let’s dig a bit deeper and look where wisdom should come from.
The first time we see wisdom coming into play is in Genesis 3: 6 “When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.”

First off remember from the last post that this is all about seeking knowledge and wisdom outside of God. To do that is to make oneself a god unto himself.

Contrast that with the passage in Genesis 34: 9 where we find a wisdom that is from God.

“Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit [a] of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the LORD had commanded Moses”

So often we do not seek God’s wisdom and trust in our own… and this leads to the sin of judgmentalism as it lack humility to admit one is not the source of wisdom itself… and denies that it comes from God.

The other passage I think is important in discernment is Ephesians 4: 15 “Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.”

This phrase is used as an excuse to bash people all the time which really shows a great lack of understanding let alone wisdom and discernment. In the Context the purpose of “speaking the truth in love” is found in the verses above and the verses below this one profound verse.

In verse 12- 13 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. (Yes this is the job of pastors, teachers and all, yet again the context is what we are looking at… and this is the purpose of speaking the truth in love.)

The next verse is below as I said, 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

The most important thing that most who “truth in love” is that it is about unity… it is about growing and being joined together… to use this verse as a way to “tell someone off in Christ” is really a n abomination to the verses message.

One can lose the person by just “telling the truth in love” which often carries very little truth and even less love especially if the motive is not to reconcile and join together in Christ.

Discernment is a very good thing… so as you do it remember “wisdom and knowledge tempered with love” will win over more than a sharp rebuke. There is a place for sharp rebuke… and often that is between friends.

Proverbs 27:5 Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Is not an excuse to not love. Often one hides the love but this verse does not mean that at all… in fact it is saying it is better to rebuke in love over all if you can grasp that. We should never use a verse to allow us not to love one another… for that is one of the greatest commands of Jesus.

So with that I want to point out that some are very assumptions in their discernment… and even when they claim to hold to the authority of Scripture themselves they tend to proof text and “”demand and answer through confrontation” instead of practicing the truth of building a relationship. They are caught in the Americanized gospel of immediate gratification and miss that the fruit of the Spirit is about taking time with someone to build a relationship and to help edify them and/or reconcile them. That is the greatest error of most “discernment” ministries… they formulate to convert instead of take time to make disciples… Jesus took at least three years to build and grow relationship with His disciples… so why should we do less? remember the fruit of the Spirit? Gal 5:22-23 states them: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”
The number one is love… and in there is patience. The definition of love is in 1 Cor 13: 4 -8a “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.”
If you are approaching someone and truly doing it in love, this is true love… Patience and kindness take time… one cannot show patience with a ready made formula.
Personally I view my critics and what many are saying against the emerging church as so inaccurate that it is almost humorous… so be sure you have your facts straight as you may be thinking it falling on deaf ears, but in reality it is falling on deft ears who actually can hear what you are really saying even if you can’t hear it yourself.
Blessings,
iggy


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Falling on Deaf ears… Or is it Deft Ears? (Confrontation with Truth?)

January 19, 2007
Falling on Deaf ears… Or is it Deft Ears?

Have you notice that it is a bit funny that when someone criticizes another, and they are told by the person criticized, “that was not very loving.” The response is always something to the order of, “If I hadn’t told you it would be less loving.”

Now, that is true, to a point, yet the issue is not often in the criticism itself, but in the manner it is delivered. The delivery itself should be done in a loving manner… with humility fully on your sleeves.

So often one accuses another of lack of discernment, or lack of judgment… and often that may be the case… yet most over look that the most important part of discernment and “judging” (used in the reference of “seeing if something is true or not”) is in how to approach the person so that they will receive the admonishment. I have at times even had someone come to admonish me and as we sat down and really talked about it, some of it was their perception of the situation that was down without having all the facts…. of course to some fact do not matter so even if presented, they will turn a deaf ear to you… and harden their hearts against you as they criticize you… this only leads to judgmentalism and condemnation. In that God gets absolutely no glory out of the situation… I have even found that sometimes the one “rebuking me” is answered by the Lord through me and is broken of a sin that is in their own life… funny that this happens to me quite a bit. Yet, most often it is something that I should hear and often must consider… even the things from harsher critics.

Part of the calling we all have as ministers of the Gospel… (Lay and professional) is the ministry of reconciliation. This means that to who disagree are brought together and the thing that split them is laid aside and their focus is on Jesus. The Bible teaches this as it says”Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”

This is one of the most misused scriptures I have heard, outside of the clear admonishment NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS… (Updated: Used here to judge their salvation and condemn them or to judge others by your own self righteousness)

When we disagree even then we are to approach each other in a way that will glorify God.

The Internet is a strange and wonderful thing… it has truly sick ungodly things and thing that are truly inspired by God on High… Discernment is a really great thing to have.
So how does one get discernment?

The dictionary definition of “discern” is:
1 a : to detect with the eyes b : to detect with senses other than vision
2 : to recognize or identify as separate and distinct : DISCRIMINATE

3 : to come to know or recognize mentally intransitive verb : to see or understand the difference
Remember though this is the “worlds” definition of discern and it misses a very fine but pointed difference from the bibles definition…(which, BTW is discernment happening right here as you read.)

In the Song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32: 28-29 Moses says something that should lead one to a more biblical understanding of discernment. In the passage Moses is reflecting on the Egyptians lack of seeing Who God is…

They are a nation without sense,

there is no discernment in them.
If only they were wise and would understand this
and discern what their end will be!

Notice as if it is needed as part of discernment is “wisdom” or “If only they were wise”. Wisdom is the major component in discernment…

On definition I picked up about discernment is “wisdom and knowledge tempered with love”. It is the seeking out to the best for the other and not just pointing out the worst.

So let’s dig a bit deeper and look where wisdom should come from.
The first time we see wisdom coming into play is in Genesis 3: 6 “When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.”

First off remember from the last post that this is all about seeking knowledge and wisdom outside of God. To do that is to make oneself a god unto himself.

Contrast that with the passage in Genesis 34: 9 where we find a wisdom that is from God.

“Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit [a] of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the LORD had commanded Moses”

So often we do not seek God’s wisdom and trust in our own… and this leads to the sin of judgmentalism as it lack humility to admit one is not the source of wisdom itself… and denies that it comes from God.

The other passage I think is important in discernment is Ephesians 4: 15 “Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.”

This phrase is used as an excuse to bash people all the time which really shows a great lack of understanding let alone wisdom and discernment. In the Context the purpose of “speaking the truth in love” is found in the verses above and the verses below this one profound verse.

In verse 12- 13 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. (Yes this is the job of pastors, teachers and all, yet again the context is what we are looking at… and this is the purpose of speaking the truth in love.)

The next verse is below as I said, 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

The most important thing that most who “truth in love” is that it is about unity… it is about growing and being joined together… to use this verse as a way to “tell someone off in Christ” is really a n abomination to the verses message.

One can lose the person by just “telling the truth in love” which often carries very little truth and even less love especially if the motive is not to reconcile and join together in Christ.

Discernment is a very good thing… so as you do it remember “wisdom and knowledge tempered with love” will win over more than a sharp rebuke. There is a place for sharp rebuke… and often that is between friends.

Proverbs 27:5 Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Is not an excuse to not love. Often one hides the love but this verse does not mean that at all… in fact it is saying it is better to rebuke in love over all if you can grasp that. We should never use a verse to allow us not to love one another… for that is one of the greatest commands of Jesus.

So with that I want to point out that some are very assumptions in their discernment… and even when they claim to hold to the authority of Scripture themselves they tend to proof text and “”demand and answer through confrontation” instead of practicing the truth of building a relationship. They are caught in the Americanized gospel of immediate gratification and miss that the fruit of the Spirit is about taking time with someone to build a relationship and to help edify them and/or reconcile them. That is the greatest error of most “discernment” ministries… they formulate to convert instead of take time to make disciples… Jesus took at least three years to build and grow relationship with His disciples… so why should we do less? remember the fruit of the Spirit? Gal 5:22-23 states them: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”
The number one is love… and in there is patience. The definition of love is in 1 Cor 13: 4 -8a “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.”
If you are approaching someone and truly doing it in love, this is true love… Patience and kindness take time… one cannot show patience with a ready made formula.
Personally I view my critics and what many are saying against the emerging church as so inaccurate that it is almost humorous… so be sure you have your facts straight as you may be thinking it falling on deaf ears, but in reality it is falling on deft ears who actually can hear what you are really saying even if you can’t hear it yourself.
Blessings,
iggy


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