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What is to become of the Emerging Church?

September 13, 2008
What is to become of the Emerging Church?
I have thought about this for a while. I see two paths…
1. The emerging church is only a phase, not to be confused with a passing “fad”. God will move in phases. If you look at history, there are many cycles that seem to happen. Often there is growth and then persecution which moves into greater growth. Often the underdog become the new power. For example, early Christians were persecuted, yet not to the extent that was to come later. In this time there was growth as in the example of the 3000 that come to believe after Peter preached in Acts 2. This growth seems almost spontaneous as the Apostle often hear “rumors” of other towns who come to believe. Saul was one who also heard of this group call “the Way” and wanted to stop it as he saw them as apostate and following another “Messiah” other than that of the tradition of the Jews. Yet, as we read in Acts, God had other plans… and Saul became Paul and began planting even more churches.
Again, this pattern kept up until the time of Constantine. Nero and well as other Roman Emperors began harsh persecution until Consisting saw his vision of a Cross and the promise that under this banner he would win his battles. Then after Constantine’s battle at Battle of Milvian Bridge 312 Constantine declared Christianity the official religion of Rome.
Now all that is very abbreviated and the debate could go on for some time whether Constantine declaration was a good thing or not. Yet the pattern is always there. We can look at the Reformation as following the same patters before and after and so on.
Now, we can look at the present situation in the same light, though I would not say the persecution is at all close to the violence of the past. It is in some countries, yet as far as here in America the persecution has only been in “words” and not the violence of the past. Yet, these words are aimed at twisting the message of the emerging church into something hideous. Now the path I see is that of persecution and growth. In fact I see this persecution of words is actually helping the emerging church gain more of an audience. People who have never heard of the emerging church now have thanks to those who write against it. Curiosity is a strange animal as people who are “warned” often see it as forbidden fruit and thus are attracted to the thing they are warned about. Now, that sound negative, yet, as in the early church there were those who sought out Christians to persecute them, found that their own lives were changed in dynamic ways. The bible speaks of the message of the cross as “foolishness”: “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”” (1 Cor 1:18-19) Those that have decided to use the ways of the world to attack and persecute the emerging church have actually exposed the authenticity and grace that is the foundation of the emerging church.
I see that this persecution is dying… and in that dying hard. People are seeing those for what they are and starting to look into deeper things of God and what the emerging church has to offer. This should bring new growth and though I hate to say, the death of the emerging church to bring out this new growth.
2. The second thing is that we of the emerging church are also growing and changing. Maturity comes with growth. This may be that the emerging church is really only realizing what God has been doing since the beginning. God gave many tools to the early church that have been covered over by man’s traditions. Now that is not to say traditions are evil and bad, rather to say that the traditions we hold often taint the truth of scriptures be that mainline denominations or looking at theology from the Reformed point of view. I will caution that not all these traditions are wrong, yet that they should be held out for examination in light of scripture instead of holding scripture to those traditions.
In this we have authenticity and can continue in the values we hold as the emerging church. I believe God has raised up leaders and many others again to see these values the emerging church holds. These values are things such as authenticity, living incarnationally, (allowing Christ to live in and through us), living missionally, (living out the Great Commission of sharing the gospel and making disciples of Jesus), removing personal agendas as we approach others, and seeing God working in peoples lives even before they have come to Jesus for salvation. Of course there are many more, but to me these are the big ones.
In this we have become reacquainted with these values that God holds. I see that as we walk in these values God will begin even a greater growth or awaking of people to the Message of the Gospel
Be blessed,
iggy
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Thanks for praying the other day…

September 1, 2008

God is good. His greatness is shown by His kindness. We rob only ourselves of the riches of His kindness, tolerance and patience when we keep hold of our stubborn heart. (Romans 2:4)

I have wondered at how many show contempt for others, mocking and acting as it those they were “exposing” are supposedly less worthy of God’s grace that others… In fact to do that is to show contempt for the kindness of God.

My daily prayer is for those who seem to have contempt for the kindness of God and see that Grace is not worthy of extending to others. I not only prayer for them but for my own heart which at times seems to lack the ability to give grace to those who are graceless to others.

Yet, my heart is always for reconciliation. I desire only that the hypocrisy stops. That this hate clothed with a thin veneer of love is exposed and that those who live such ways find the love of God. This love is impossible not to pass on to others as it changes us from the inside out. Once touched by this Love of God that dwells in us as we dwell in Him we cannot help but give it away.

My actions may not always seems loving to some. Yet, the pain of holding the mirror to myself to see who I really am is often painful. Sometimes God uses our friends who feel like enemies to hold that mirror up for us to see.

I remember before I was found by Grace. I heard a man who spoke of this grace. I was “saved” and did all the “right” things… yet I found I hated this man more than any other man I had known. My only desire was to prove him wrong and expose him for the fraud he was….

Yet, God had other plans for me. I listened to his show on the radio and read through Hebrews. I took extra effort and care to keep the context of each chapter as I read. If in chapter 1,2,3, it stated one was secure in their faith, then in chapter 6 and 10 I had to keep those in context of the previous chapters. When I finished, I was profoundly shaken by my discovery that my theology… ( my understanding of eternal security) was wrong. I then read this man ‘s book… Classic Christianity… and discovered even more of God’s grace for me.

I love this man, Bob George, and consider him to be one of the greatest influences on my life and it’s course. Funny thing is, Bob and I would not agree on many things, yet, Grace which is rooted in Love, covers our differences. These things are so little and meaningless in contrast to what God’s grace is doing in our lives.

My prayer for those that call themselves my enemy… (They are not now and have ever been mine) is that they come to grasp how great this Grace God has for them. I pray that they are so infected by it they are changed from one who judges and condemns others in the Name of Jesus, though He Himself did not come to do that, to one who desires only to show the kindness of God.

Sometimes a friend holding a mirror up to us, will feel like our enemy… yet, in the end if we see what God is doing, that friend will be one of those who had loved us most of all.

Be blessed,
iggy
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Thanks for praying the other day…

September 1, 2008

God is good. His greatness is shown by His kindness. We rob only ourselves of the riches of His kindness, tolerance and patience when we keep hold of our stubborn heart. (Romans 2:4)

I have wondered at how many show contempt for others, mocking and acting as it those they were “exposing” are supposedly less worthy of God’s grace that others… In fact to do that is to show contempt for the kindness of God.

My daily prayer is for those who seem to have contempt for the kindness of God and see that Grace is not worthy of extending to others. I not only prayer for them but for my own heart which at times seems to lack the ability to give grace to those who are graceless to others.

Yet, my heart is always for reconciliation. I desire only that the hypocrisy stops. That this hate clothed with a thin veneer of love is exposed and that those who live such ways find the love of God. This love is impossible not to pass on to others as it changes us from the inside out. Once touched by this Love of God that dwells in us as we dwell in Him we cannot help but give it away.

My actions may not always seems loving to some. Yet, the pain of holding the mirror to myself to see who I really am is often painful. Sometimes God uses our friends who feel like enemies to hold that mirror up for us to see.

I remember before I was found by Grace. I heard a man who spoke of this grace. I was “saved” and did all the “right” things… yet I found I hated this man more than any other man I had known. My only desire was to prove him wrong and expose him for the fraud he was….

Yet, God had other plans for me. I listened to his show on the radio and read through Hebrews. I took extra effort and care to keep the context of each chapter as I read. If in chapter 1,2,3, it stated one was secure in their faith, then in chapter 6 and 10 I had to keep those in context of the previous chapters. When I finished, I was profoundly shaken by my discovery that my theology… ( my understanding of eternal security) was wrong. I then read this man ‘s book… Classic Christianity… and discovered even more of God’s grace for me.

I love this man, Bob George, and consider him to be one of the greatest influences on my life and it’s course. Funny thing is, Bob and I would not agree on many things, yet, Grace which is rooted in Love, covers our differences. These things are so little and meaningless in contrast to what God’s grace is doing in our lives.

My prayer for those that call themselves my enemy… (They are not now and have ever been mine) is that they come to grasp how great this Grace God has for them. I pray that they are so infected by it they are changed from one who judges and condemns others in the Name of Jesus, though He Himself did not come to do that, to one who desires only to show the kindness of God.

Sometimes a friend holding a mirror up to us, will feel like our enemy… yet, in the end if we see what God is doing, that friend will be one of those who had loved us most of all.

Be blessed,
iggy
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CRN lies some more… but what’s new?

August 5, 2008
Interesting that Chris Rosebrough sees fit to lie about Richard Abanes again. His claims that Richard has yet to give an answer… is well… a lie. Richard already gave an answer… which seems that Chris Rosebrough sees fit to ignore.
Personally this whole situation has shown me what these ODM’s truly are. I see that they will stop at nothing and use the ways of the world to attack and slander others. They seem to have no shame… nor the ability to extend Grace, Mercy, or the loving Kindness of God. I wonder as I read scripture at the King who forgave a servant a great debt… yet that servant went out and demanded payment from another that owed him money…
Here is that passage.
Matt 18:21-35
21. Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22. Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
23. “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24. As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. 26. “The servant fell on his knees before him. `Be patient with me,’ he begged, `and I will pay back everything.’ 27. The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28. “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him and began to choke him. `Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded. 29. “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, `Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.’ 30. “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt.
31. When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened. 32. “Then the master called the servant in. `You wicked servant,’ he said, `I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34. In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. 35. “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”
This is my fear for these people.
In a recent dialogue with a very prominent figure in all this, they confessed that they had trouble “not hating” me. I believe that is part of their issue. They need to deal with the person in the mirror… and not project their issues on others.
I practice forgiveness daily… I forgive them for making even physical threats against my person as one “pastor” did. I forgive them for judging my salvation which is God’s territory only.
I would not be surprise to receive a letter from a lawyer from one of them. Again, they seem to have no issues with doing as the world does.
This “Truth War” was never about truth…
My heart truly goes out to these people. I pray for them daily asking for God’s best for them and that they be blessed in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
I do not hate them… yet it seems they need to overcome their own hatred for others.
Blessings,
iggy
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CRN lies some more… but what’s new?

August 5, 2008
Interesting that Chris Rosebrough sees fit to lie about Richard Abanes again. His claims that Richard has yet to give an answer… is well… a lie. Richard already gave an answer… which seems that Chris Rosebrough sees fit to ignore.
Personally this whole situation has shown me what these ODM’s truly are. I see that they will stop at nothing and use the ways of the world to attack and slander others. They seem to have no shame… nor the ability to extend Grace, Mercy, or the loving Kindness of God. I wonder as I read scripture at the King who forgave a servant a great debt… yet that servant went out and demanded payment from another that owed him money…
Here is that passage.
Matt 18:21-35
21. Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22. Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
23. “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24. As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. 26. “The servant fell on his knees before him. `Be patient with me,’ he begged, `and I will pay back everything.’ 27. The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28. “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him and began to choke him. `Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded. 29. “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, `Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.’ 30. “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt.
31. When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened. 32. “Then the master called the servant in. `You wicked servant,’ he said, `I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34. In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. 35. “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”
This is my fear for these people.
In a recent dialogue with a very prominent figure in all this, they confessed that they had trouble “not hating” me. I believe that is part of their issue. They need to deal with the person in the mirror… and not project their issues on others.
I practice forgiveness daily… I forgive them for making even physical threats against my person as one “pastor” did. I forgive them for judging my salvation which is God’s territory only.
I would not be surprise to receive a letter from a lawyer from one of them. Again, they seem to have no issues with doing as the world does.
This “Truth War” was never about truth…
My heart truly goes out to these people. I pray for them daily asking for God’s best for them and that they be blessed in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
I do not hate them… yet it seems they need to overcome their own hatred for others.
Blessings,
iggy
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Full Apologies… and forgivness

July 18, 2008

This site is intense. What if you drove drunk, and killed your friend? It is easy to judge someone over a mistake that is so tradgic. There are victims… and sometimes even the person who committed the crime… becomes a victim of guilt and shame.

http://www.fullapologies.com

Jesus stated we have the power to forgive sins. By forgiving others we release them from the bondage that their actions put them in. Will forgiving bring back the lost ones? No… But it will free the person who forgives from the bondage of hate.

iggy

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Full Apologies… and forgivness

July 18, 2008

This site is intense. What if you drove drunk, and killed your friend? It is easy to judge someone over a mistake that is so tradgic. There are victims… and sometimes even the person who committed the crime… becomes a victim of guilt and shame.

http://www.fullapologies.com

Jesus stated we have the power to forgive sins. By forgiving others we release them from the bondage that their actions put them in. Will forgiving bring back the lost ones? No… But it will free the person who forgives from the bondage of hate.

iggy