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Proud to be Montanan? No Hate Here!

September 8, 2006

Proud to be Montanan? No hate here!


This one is interesting. These twins are pretty well known for their singing… they have been on TV’s Primetime show which then some people in Kalispell just found out they are their neighbors… the twins perform as “Prussian Blue” and are popular in the venues they play at…

So what is the problem? Read it here.

You see, this family left Bakersfield Ca. because “it was not white enough”. The also went on to say, “We want our people to stay white. … We don’t want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race.” YIKES!

Kudo’s to the neighbor who does not want hate in their neighborhood.

Blessings,
iggy

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Proud to be Montanan? No Hate Here!

September 8, 2006

Proud to be Montanan? No hate here!


This one is interesting. These twins are pretty well known for their singing… they have been on TV’s Primetime show which then some people in Kalispell just found out they are their neighbors… the twins perform as “Prussian Blue” and are popular in the venues they play at…

So what is the problem? Read it here.

You see, this family left Bakersfield Ca. because “it was not white enough”. The also went on to say, “We want our people to stay white. … We don’t want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race.” YIKES!

Kudo’s to the neighbor who does not want hate in their neighborhood.

Blessings,
iggy

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Grace Unmerited favor of God (Heretic’s Guide to Eternity review Pt 3)

September 7, 2006

Grace: Unmerited favor of God (Heretic’s Guide to Eternity pt 3)

I see this as the major area that Spencer Burke and I may part. It is over Grace… which is a bit ironic huh?

Though I really like the idea of “All in unless we opt out” style of Universalism, I see the fatal error is when one is confusing forgiveness with salvation. Yet even more I see it as a limited understanding of Grace itself.

  1. To acknowledge that God has forgiven us is not a “work” but it is more like acknowledging a gift. It is saying thank you in response to the gift…
  2. To receive salvation one must acknowledge that God is for us, not against us… it is in the relationship that Grace can grow.

In #1: I have found that we are all forgiven at the cross… Jesus is the High Priest and gave the final sacrifice, then as Hebrews tells us; Jesus (The High Priest) sat down… no more sacrifice of blood for our sins. The sin issue is dead… and the doorway to eternity has swung open wide for us to enter into the Kingdom. This is not just a future event; rather it is a present and future event simultaneously.

Remember eternity is outside the bounds of time and space. To God all time is now… (Even that is a finite understanding). We are linear in our understanding of time so eternity is a concept that is beyond… it is here yet beyond our very grasp… it is within us, yet it is outside us… it is everywhere and yet… no where.

To grasp this one must grasp an understanding of multi dimensional thinking. To try to tell someone in a 2 dimensional world about an orb would be almost futile as they would only see it as a circle with a dot in it. We in the 3 dimensional world can readily grasp what an orb would look like as we have the benefit of the extra dimension to “see” with.
This is why it is a bit beyond us to understand eternity.

Grasping at least why it is hard to understand eternity, we can then see it is hard to grasp Grace. For Grace is in creation itself… placed there by our creator. It is not just unmerited favor, but the substance that sustains all creation. For God, the One Who created all things by speaking it all into existence, could easily un-speak all things into non-existence… and we would never even know. Grace is the purest substance in all creation and the glue that holds it all together.

That is why we cannot work for Grace… it is like saying we are to work for air to breath… it is so intricately intertwined in our being that it is as if it is not their. For Grace to be grace… it must be without our help at all… otherwise we are not in grace, but against it.

Still though I see forgiveness in a universal way, one can refuse to receive the gift of forgiveness… As to not receive forgiveness is a sign of not having grace dwell within us. It is in that very moment that we “see” this forgiveness… the kindness of God, that Grace enters and empowers us to repentance. This empowering is not a work from us, but of God that we respond to. Our repentant response is the “eternal thank you” back to God.

I see that even many who claim to be Christians and refuse to forgive … or even receive forgiveness may have the root of their issue in their lack of understanding grace. They have reduced it to a formula… and have torn it out of the fabric of creation and placed it in a box of finite human reasoning. In doing this reduced it Glory… to simply, unmerited favor from God.

In #2: To acknowledge salvation is from God and God alone… through the works of Jesus… who all things were created… yet not Grace itself as it is the very nature of our creator… Grace is the very character of God Himself… we receive salvation in response to what God has done… Our repentance is the eternal groan within us acknowledging we are in right relationship with creation… with Grace, and with our creator Himself.

To not acknowledge this… is to deny Grace, (God’s nature within us). It is to deny the Kingdom itself which is this Grace for the Kingdom is within us.

We are saved by grace through faith. Faith is not an action of works, but of surrender… the acknowledgement that we are not right as our own gods and need to be inline with Grace. This is very “opt in” and, yes, exclusive, yet… because of it not being works… very, very inclusive… this is an and/both situation… not an either or.

To say, “all in unless we opt out” denies Grace as the sustainer of all things. It says those who are outside of the very nature are still in the very nature of God which seems to contradict itself and cancel itself out logically.

Again, I really like the idea of “all in unless we opt out” as it reflects a sense of compassion that one might see grace as being “unmerited favor”. Is it? Yes. Yet again, that is not “all” grace is. The rain falls on the righteous and the unrighteous… as does grace. Yet at least for the righteous, made clean/right by God’s grace and continually teaching and guiding us in the renewal of our minds… We will one day see all as it should be and will have God be our very LIFE Himself. For those who refuse forgiveness as consistent with a fallen character, there is judgment. They receive the rewards consistent with this character which denied Grace. The character of saying “works” will save us… in that meaning our own works and righteousness… outside the very Grace that sustains all creation. It is choosing the limited view… or blindness over being made right in God… by Grace. When we think we can be saved by works… we “fall from grace”. Because we think we are the sustainer of our self. It is to believe the lie, that we will not surely die… yet there is no life outside of Grace itself.

I think God is more than merciful in that He sees us mere human beings… as worthy of His love. To restore us in Him… in His Grace and with all creation.

On a more personal note to Spencer:

I know that writing a book is not easy. I think that for someone to write their thoughts out in a readable and coherent manner is simply amazing and I wish I too could write more clearly. When I said that you and I “part” it is not in fellowship… only ideology. We are emerging… in that we take and build upon, or tear down to rebuild what we have been taught in the past. The attempt is to build with integrity and honesty and authenticity upon the foundation, Who is Christ Jesus. We must at times reach beyond ourselves in our thinking to achieve this “beyond” you are seeing in your heart… and you are not alone. Many of us see this “beyond”. I believe it is the Kingdom itself that we see at times and we are trying hard to express the almost inexpressible in our current state of corruption.

I admire that you have written your thoughts and in a metaphoric sense… if not is some ways very real sense… exposed your nakedness of thought for all to critic. I have read a few of your “friends” reviews and some are really brutal. That would be tough. I have never met you, yet I will say… still over all… I agree very much that “Grace is too big for religion” as I have tried to even express here… I think it is only on the issue of salvation we may disagree. Like I said, I admire the ability for someone to express their views in a way that makes me truly think… wrestle and even question what I believe. To help me in an honest approach to my faith and to what it is built on… shifting sand or Christ Jesus.

Blessings,
iggy


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Grace Unmerited favor of God (Heretic’s Guide to Eternity review Pt 3)

September 7, 2006

Grace: Unmerited favor of God (Heretic’s Guide to Eternity pt 3)

I see this as the major area that Spencer Burke and I may part. It is over Grace… which is a bit ironic huh?

Though I really like the idea of “All in unless we opt out” style of Universalism, I see the fatal error is when one is confusing forgiveness with salvation. Yet even more I see it as a limited understanding of Grace itself.

  1. To acknowledge that God has forgiven us is not a “work” but it is more like acknowledging a gift. It is saying thank you in response to the gift…
  2. To receive salvation one must acknowledge that God is for us, not against us… it is in the relationship that Grace can grow.

In #1: I have found that we are all forgiven at the cross… Jesus is the High Priest and gave the final sacrifice, then as Hebrews tells us; Jesus (The High Priest) sat down… no more sacrifice of blood for our sins. The sin issue is dead… and the doorway to eternity has swung open wide for us to enter into the Kingdom. This is not just a future event; rather it is a present and future event simultaneously.

Remember eternity is outside the bounds of time and space. To God all time is now… (Even that is a finite understanding). We are linear in our understanding of time so eternity is a concept that is beyond… it is here yet beyond our very grasp… it is within us, yet it is outside us… it is everywhere and yet… no where.

To grasp this one must grasp an understanding of multi dimensional thinking. To try to tell someone in a 2 dimensional world about an orb would be almost futile as they would only see it as a circle with a dot in it. We in the 3 dimensional world can readily grasp what an orb would look like as we have the benefit of the extra dimension to “see” with.
This is why it is a bit beyond us to understand eternity.

Grasping at least why it is hard to understand eternity, we can then see it is hard to grasp Grace. For Grace is in creation itself… placed there by our creator. It is not just unmerited favor, but the substance that sustains all creation. For God, the One Who created all things by speaking it all into existence, could easily un-speak all things into non-existence… and we would never even know. Grace is the purest substance in all creation and the glue that holds it all together.

That is why we cannot work for Grace… it is like saying we are to work for air to breath… it is so intricately intertwined in our being that it is as if it is not their. For Grace to be grace… it must be without our help at all… otherwise we are not in grace, but against it.

Still though I see forgiveness in a universal way, one can refuse to receive the gift of forgiveness… As to not receive forgiveness is a sign of not having grace dwell within us. It is in that very moment that we “see” this forgiveness… the kindness of God, that Grace enters and empowers us to repentance. This empowering is not a work from us, but of God that we respond to. Our repentant response is the “eternal thank you” back to God.

I see that even many who claim to be Christians and refuse to forgive … or even receive forgiveness may have the root of their issue in their lack of understanding grace. They have reduced it to a formula… and have torn it out of the fabric of creation and placed it in a box of finite human reasoning. In doing this reduced it Glory… to simply, unmerited favor from God.

In #2: To acknowledge salvation is from God and God alone… through the works of Jesus… who all things were created… yet not Grace itself as it is the very nature of our creator… Grace is the very character of God Himself… we receive salvation in response to what God has done… Our repentance is the eternal groan within us acknowledging we are in right relationship with creation… with Grace, and with our creator Himself.

To not acknowledge this… is to deny Grace, (God’s nature within us). It is to deny the Kingdom itself which is this Grace for the Kingdom is within us.

We are saved by grace through faith. Faith is not an action of works, but of surrender… the acknowledgement that we are not right as our own gods and need to be inline with Grace. This is very “opt in” and, yes, exclusive, yet… because of it not being works… very, very inclusive… this is an and/both situation… not an either or.

To say, “all in unless we opt out” denies Grace as the sustainer of all things. It says those who are outside of the very nature are still in the very nature of God which seems to contradict itself and cancel itself out logically.

Again, I really like the idea of “all in unless we opt out” as it reflects a sense of compassion that one might see grace as being “unmerited favor”. Is it? Yes. Yet again, that is not “all” grace is. The rain falls on the righteous and the unrighteous… as does grace. Yet at least for the righteous, made clean/right by God’s grace and continually teaching and guiding us in the renewal of our minds… We will one day see all as it should be and will have God be our very LIFE Himself. For those who refuse forgiveness as consistent with a fallen character, there is judgment. They receive the rewards consistent with this character which denied Grace. The character of saying “works” will save us… in that meaning our own works and righteousness… outside the very Grace that sustains all creation. It is choosing the limited view… or blindness over being made right in God… by Grace. When we think we can be saved by works… we “fall from grace”. Because we think we are the sustainer of our self. It is to believe the lie, that we will not surely die… yet there is no life outside of Grace itself.

I think God is more than merciful in that He sees us mere human beings… as worthy of His love. To restore us in Him… in His Grace and with all creation.

On a more personal note to Spencer:

I know that writing a book is not easy. I think that for someone to write their thoughts out in a readable and coherent manner is simply amazing and I wish I too could write more clearly. When I said that you and I “part” it is not in fellowship… only ideology. We are emerging… in that we take and build upon, or tear down to rebuild what we have been taught in the past. The attempt is to build with integrity and honesty and authenticity upon the foundation, Who is Christ Jesus. We must at times reach beyond ourselves in our thinking to achieve this “beyond” you are seeing in your heart… and you are not alone. Many of us see this “beyond”. I believe it is the Kingdom itself that we see at times and we are trying hard to express the almost inexpressible in our current state of corruption.

I admire that you have written your thoughts and in a metaphoric sense… if not is some ways very real sense… exposed your nakedness of thought for all to critic. I have read a few of your “friends” reviews and some are really brutal. That would be tough. I have never met you, yet I will say… still over all… I agree very much that “Grace is too big for religion” as I have tried to even express here… I think it is only on the issue of salvation we may disagree. Like I said, I admire the ability for someone to express their views in a way that makes me truly think… wrestle and even question what I believe. To help me in an honest approach to my faith and to what it is built on… shifting sand or Christ Jesus.

Blessings,
iggy


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Great article by Sivin Kit (Someone get me a dictionary)

September 6, 2006

Great article by Sivin Kit (Someone get me a dictionary!)

Someone get me a dictionary!

I just read this article/post from Sivin Kit. Of course I found it at Jason Clark’s blog

Now, where is that dictionary… I need to look some things up! LOL!

Blessings,
iggy

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Great article by Sivin Kit (Someone get me a dictionary)

September 6, 2006

Great article by Sivin Kit (Someone get me a dictionary!)

Someone get me a dictionary!

I just read this article/post from Sivin Kit. Of course I found it at Jason Clark’s blog

Now, where is that dictionary… I need to look some things up! LOL!

Blessings,
iggy

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God is so good! My Testimony (or at least one of them)

September 6, 2006

God is so good! My Testimony (or at least one of them)

I remember a long time ago… sitting in church and some band was playing… they were comprised of Native Americans… with a message…

I was about 15. God had been working on my heart a bit… he had sent a young youth pastor into my life who began ministering to me about how Jesus died for my sins… I was resistant… yet drawn.

I was invited to the concert by this youth pastor… I promised him I would come and that I would sit through the whole thing… I arrived a bit… drunk…

As I listened I was impressed with the music… not that churchy stuff I thought it would be… the guitarist even played the guitar behind his neck! Then it happened… they began to “preach”. He spoke of Jesus and His love for me…

At a young age I lost my father. He was not a good man. He was a drunk… a womanizer… the night he died I was around 2, at home with my mom… my father’s wife… while he was out drinking with his buddies… and his girlfriend. He died in a drunk driving accident…

I listened knowing that I was heading down a bad road… I remember telling a teacher who was concerned about the road I was going down… I told him, “I did not want to make any more friends as I was afraid I would be a bad influence on them”. I meant that.

The Youth pastor had told me before the concert about Jesus… how he died on the cross…He told me about forgiveness… I told him, “I never knew my father, I know my mom, but I am sure my father is in hell and I am going to hell to be with my father”

The man spoke from the stage, “Whatever you are going through, drugs, sex, alcohol…God can turn your life around.. He can set you free from these things. Just give your life to Him.”

It hit my heart. I told God, “If you can keep me sober tonight, I will see what I can do for you…” Funny huh? Like I could do anything for God… yet be that as it was… my sinner’s prayer of faith.

I was totally sober… I felt a load lifted from me… and I know something had happened… I was scared and relieved at the same time.

I was to meet my friends after the concert to party… They even tried to come during the concert to get me to leave early. Yet, Jesus had other plans.

I went outside… to get in my car… and… I had no gas… I was going to drive around to find my friends to party… yet, Jesus had other plans… I drove home… and went to bed… sober.

I have a suit case I have had for years… in it prayers are written … You see my father had stayed for a time with some Pentecostals down in Texas… and from the prayers and scriptures… they had shown great love for my father… love he had never really had from his own parents. In that suitcase was hope… Hope that Jesus had other plans…. For my father… as messed up as he was.

I never heard of that group again… yet the Seed of the message was placed in my heart.

I was changed… I was forgiven… then Jesus began to teach me what I could “do” for Him… but that is another story…

Blessings,
iggy

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God is so good! My Testimony (or at least one of them)

September 6, 2006

God is so good! My Testimony (or at least one of them)

I remember a long time ago… sitting in church and some band was playing… they were comprised of Native Americans… with a message…

I was about 15. God had been working on my heart a bit… he had sent a young youth pastor into my life who began ministering to me about how Jesus died for my sins… I was resistant… yet drawn.

I was invited to the concert by this youth pastor… I promised him I would come and that I would sit through the whole thing… I arrived a bit… drunk…

As I listened I was impressed with the music… not that churchy stuff I thought it would be… the guitarist even played the guitar behind his neck! Then it happened… they began to “preach”. He spoke of Jesus and His love for me…

At a young age I lost my father. He was not a good man. He was a drunk… a womanizer… the night he died I was around 2, at home with my mom… my father’s wife… while he was out drinking with his buddies… and his girlfriend. He died in a drunk driving accident…

I listened knowing that I was heading down a bad road… I remember telling a teacher who was concerned about the road I was going down… I told him, “I did not want to make any more friends as I was afraid I would be a bad influence on them”. I meant that.

The Youth pastor had told me before the concert about Jesus… how he died on the cross…He told me about forgiveness… I told him, “I never knew my father, I know my mom, but I am sure my father is in hell and I am going to hell to be with my father”

The man spoke from the stage, “Whatever you are going through, drugs, sex, alcohol…God can turn your life around.. He can set you free from these things. Just give your life to Him.”

It hit my heart. I told God, “If you can keep me sober tonight, I will see what I can do for you…” Funny huh? Like I could do anything for God… yet be that as it was… my sinner’s prayer of faith.

I was totally sober… I felt a load lifted from me… and I know something had happened… I was scared and relieved at the same time.

I was to meet my friends after the concert to party… They even tried to come during the concert to get me to leave early. Yet, Jesus had other plans.

I went outside… to get in my car… and… I had no gas… I was going to drive around to find my friends to party… yet, Jesus had other plans… I drove home… and went to bed… sober.

I have a suit case I have had for years… in it prayers are written … You see my father had stayed for a time with some Pentecostals down in Texas… and from the prayers and scriptures… they had shown great love for my father… love he had never really had from his own parents. In that suitcase was hope… Hope that Jesus had other plans…. For my father… as messed up as he was.

I never heard of that group again… yet the Seed of the message was placed in my heart.

I was changed… I was forgiven… then Jesus began to teach me what I could “do” for Him… but that is another story…

Blessings,
iggy

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United Nations and The Child Prostitution Connection

September 5, 2006

United Nations and The Child Prostitution Connection: file this under sickos!

This story originally came out last year… One French UN worker was sent home… not one word of punishment…

Yet, here we are a year later… after the UN has changed their policy.

The United Nations ignored sexual exploitation


Read it here

Pray hard for the victims!

iggy

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United Nations and The Child Prostitution Connection

September 5, 2006

United Nations and The Child Prostitution Connection: file this under sickos!

This story originally came out last year… One French UN worker was sent home… not one word of punishment…

Yet, here we are a year later… after the UN has changed their policy.

The United Nations ignored sexual exploitation


Read it here

Pray hard for the victims!

iggy